Experimentations in Safety

[JJ.45]

Originally Posted by dashotgun

okay here is a situation where it is bad. you holster and there is some thing in the holster that pushes the trigger back there is no fire because you did not depress the grip safety. The trigger is still depressed and you go to unholster being careful to not engage the trigger but you do depess the grip saftey youget a ND and everyone willsay that you pulled the trigger but you did not the net effect is still a ND

That can't happen with a properly functioning XD.
I will let you try to figure out why.

[agalindo]

All you have to do is look at the grip safety and how it works to answer the question why it happens. Look at the internal workings and you'll see that the grip safety is a sear block. The grip safety in no way disengages the trigger.

When you start nit picking and running all kinds of scenarios on how to get the safeties to "fail", all the pistol safeties out there will do just that "fail". Notice that I'm quoting fail because they are not really failing but performing as to the design specs.

A basic understanding of how your pistol safeties work all will answer many of your questions as to when your gun will fire, safeties engaged or otherwise.

[shikkie]

I looked at this with mine and.... I don't intend to be rude but perhaps a "well. yea" is in order.

You can express this as an equation.

Loaded chamber + depressed grip safety + enough pressure on trigger = BANG.

now, I think I've noticed that with the trigger pulled all the way, with the grip safety still engaged that there is still a bit more travel needed. Basically, at the point you disengage the grip safety you still need a bit more force and travel to fire.

So I'd think you'd visually inspect the holstering process (if practical; if you had to holster to get your cell phone while watching a downed BG... I've switched my cell to my off hand pocket to avoid that though), and make sure you don't snag the trigger. The whole time not touching the grip safety. They call it a negligent discharge for a reason.

[WilliamWallace]

We need to go back to the drawing board on this one, folks...

What he is saying is this:

With a bullet in the chamber, the "hammer" cocked and the trigger pulled at the same time the grip safety is depressed, the XD will fire...

See??????????????????

[heritageguy]

Originally Posted by WilliamWallace

We need to go back to the drawing board on this one, folks...

What he is saying is this:

With a bullet in the chamber, the "hammer" cocked and the trigger pulled at the same time the grip safety is depressed, the XD will fire...

See??????????????????

Well the XD HAS to be safer than a double action revolver! Didja know that if you decock a loaded revolver and keep the trigger depressed and the hammer gets snagged back and let go the revolver will fire? Revolvers need safeties to prevent that!

[VaGunNut]

I don't think there is anything wrong with the XD safety. I raised this issue about the way the trigger and grip safety function in another thread Grip safety while holstering

The point was so that folks would remember that even though you keep your hand off the grip safety while holstering you still need to make sure that nothing is stuck in the holster activating the trigger. If the trigger is stuck then anytime later when the grip safety is activated the XD will fire.

[nuj]

hi,
it's a bit confusing that the gun will fire with both trigger and grip safety activated during re holstering, the trigger needs to reset isn't it before you can pull the trigger, and something about out of battery, another safety feature of the hs/xd.
i think all one need is a basic course in proper gun safety and handling

[JJ.45]

Originally Posted by WilliamWallace

We need to go back to the drawing board on this one, folks...

What he is saying is this:

With a bullet in the chamber, the "hammer" cocked and the trigger pulled at the same time the grip safety is depressed, the XD will fire...

See??????????????????

No, that's not what he said. He said....

However, if the trigger is pulled, say by a shirt during reholster, then, after the trigger is back, the grip safety is engaged the gun fires. Again, with the gun cocked and the trigger pulled (it feels mushy) the gun will fire when the grip safety is pushed in.

That will not happen unless MORE force is put on the trigger after, or a the same time the grip safety is depressed. See????????

If the grip safety is not depressed, the trigger can't go back far enough to fire the weapon. The only way his scenario is an "issue" is if you holster the weapon with something in the trigger guard and something pulls the trigger, then the grip safety is depressed and then even more force is put on the trigger.

You have a better chance winning the lottery.

[digitalexplr]

If you have a problem with clothing getting in your holster, you need a new holster or at least completely rethink your procedure for reholstering your weapon.

If anyone ever has this happen for real, it is a clear USER ERROR!

And as has been pointed out, if you follow the same scenario with a revolver, the samething will happen. The gun will go BOOM!

Keep clothing out of your holster. Keep your finger off the trigger except when shooting. Learn how to holster you weapon.

PAY ATTENTION TO DETAIL!

[Bill in San Jose]

Originally Posted by dashotgun

and there is some thing in the holster that pushes the trigger back

It would have to be in the holster, and not be pushed out of the way by the trigger guard, and push the trigger and the center safety piece at the same time. Highly doubtful.

If you have something in the holster as you describe, yes, you risk shooting your pecker off.