Is the XD Sub-compact legal in California?

[njeske]

Originally Posted by Bill in San Jose

Remember, Jan 1, 2010 any semiauto that does not mark the spent cartridge with a unique number in 2 places (all semi autos) will be illegal in CA, effectively banning the sale of semi autos.

That's pretty far from the truth. The new law states that any new semi-auto handguns added to the "approved for sale" list must microstamp the cartridge. Guns owned prior to the ban will still be legal. Guns already on the approved list can stay on the approved list as long as the manufacturer renews their listing and doesn't let it expire. If their listing expires, the gun has to be retested and must meet any new requirements before it's re-added to the list.

Not only that, but it's highly unlikely this law ever even goes into effect. The law also has a trademark clause that states that the law can only be put into effect if the trademarks regarding microstamping are made available to all gun manufacturers. Since the company that owns those trademarks has no intention of giving them away, this law won't go into effect unless they change their mind.

[bountyhunter]

Originally Posted by njeske

Not only that, but it's highly unlikely this law ever even goes into effect.

I hope you are right, but they also said that about the last one back in 2000. It was supposed to make it too difficult for the major manufacturer's to produce and the LE's would never allow it....

[bountyhunter]

Originally Posted by nickb

More bullets hurled at the other guy greatly increases your chances of success.

That just isn't an accurate generalization. A few years back SF had a bank robbery where over a hundred rounds were discharged in total and not one single person (LE or perp) were hit.

That is absolutely frightening. The only thing "spray and pray" increases the chances of is hitting bystanders.

Originally Posted by nickb

In every case when someone ran out of ammo....they were toast.

If it is a single officer, you might make a case for that. But, it's also true if the guns jam or malfunction and that happens more than running out of ammo.

That makes a good case for revolvers and speedloaders.

It's funny how many people cry for the return of the standard 1911 in .45 ... a gun which holds seven rounds of .45ACP in standard capacity. yet, you can get a SW .357 which holds eight rounds of .357, a round which is unparalleled in it's ability to deliver the DRT stop (dead right there).... and offers higher reliability

Funny.

[J-ville]

Not to beat a dead horse, but I thought it would be interesting to add another peace of data from the five officer invovled shootings I researched - not one of the officers, and their were over ten involved, could ever remember using their sights. Some of the "spray and pray" issue flows from what happens in high stress situations.

[bountyhunter]

Originally Posted by Philadelphia

Pistol sales in CA will likely be through the roof leading up to the ban date.

And used gun prices will skyrocket.

Originally Posted by Philadelphia

One question: does it still take effect even if there are no manufacturers offering pistols with the serial number stamp on casing feature?

I think it could, because LE's would still be exempt from the law like they are for current restrictions.

Originally Posted by Philadelphia

Also, how could it be possible to get a number long enough to be a unique serial number on something as small as a typical casing? Insane.

You are applying logic to the illogical.... in reality, Feinstein and company are trying to pile on restrictions they can claim make semse which in reality, are impossible. The last law which added a whole bunch of testing was supposed to "screen out" most guns.... but the gun makers figured out how to pass them.... and Feinstein was FURIOUS. Her vision of kali is where guns are illegal, nobody can own or buy one, and only she and her bodyguards are packing heat.

[bountyhunter]

Originally Posted by XDONBOARD

Arizona is a fine place because these lack of laws.

PLUS, If California falls off...... who do you think has the ocean front property suckas!!!!!!!!

The psychics that expound on such things say the major earth catastrophe that will send kali into the see will put the beachfront property somewhere in Colorado as I recall.....

[bountyhunter]

Originally Posted by Druac

LOL...It may very well do that some day.

5.8 earth quake here last night....

[Brush-Wolf-Lady]

MD allows the high cap mags, up to 20 rounds, regardless of gun type. The CA law has zero logic behind it in regards to the XD40 service for instance, which comes with 12 round mags. What is 2 more rounds?

BTW on stopping power, the only sure way to stop the BG fast is a with a center head shot/brain stem shot. Think of how some deer can be shot in the heart and have the heart just be decimated, yet they are able to run 50 yards before dropping dead . Same goes for bears and some other large game animals. I was even told that grizzly bears sometimes have to be shot in the head numerous times to put them down- I am sure that this is cases of muscle being hit rather than the brain, as these bears have massive jaw muscles.

1 case with the FBI was a suspect they finally tracked down and had him in a hotel waiting to get on an elevator. When they approached, the suspect attempted to draw on them so the FBI agents opened fire on him. They disarmed him and had to struggle with him on the floor for a few minutes to get him cuffed and under control. He later died en route to the hospital. So he was fatally hit, but just kept on fighting.

[Druac]

Originally Posted by Brush-Wolf-Lady

MD allows the high cap mags, up to 20 rounds, regardless of gun type. The CA law has zero logic behind it in regards to the XD40 service for instance, which comes with 12 round mags. What is 2 more rounds?

BTW on stopping power, the only sure way to stop the BG fast is a with a center head shot/brain stem shot. Think of how some deer can be shot in the heart and have the heart just be decimated, yet they are able to run 50 yards before dropping dead . Same goes for bears and some other large game animals. I was even told that grizzly bears sometimes have to be shot in the head numerous times to put them down- I am sure that this is cases of muscle being hit rather than the brain, as these bears have massive jaw muscles.

1 case with the FBI was a suspect they finally tracked down and had him in a hotel waiting to get on an elevator. When they approached, the suspect attempted to draw on them so the FBI agents opened fire on him. They disarmed him and had to struggle with him on the floor for a few minutes to get him cuffed and under control. He later died en route to the hospital. So he was fatally hit, but just kept on fighting.

Ok...triple-tap then.

Now I'm down to 3 for ten rounds

[Mad Geek]

Originally Posted by bountyhunter

The gun is legal IF ANF ONLY IF that exact gun appears on the DOJ approved list.... and I mean that EXACT gun down to the finish color and all the rest.

Get the exact model number of the gun from the manufacturer's web site and check the list.

That's what really baffles me. My local dealer got 2 SCs in yesterday, a 9mm and a .40 S&W. Both black. That's all he's seen and at that they were hard to come by. He doesn't see them available very often. Compacts, Tactical, Service, no problem. SCs = Hens Teeth

Just like any other XD that comes to California, it will not have a magazine with a capacity larger that 10 rounds.

And to answer Brush-Wolf-Lady on the 12 round question: It's 2 more rounds than legal. Stupid, but that's how it is.