Is the XD Sub-compact legal in California?

[bountyhunter]

Originally Posted by J-ville

A question came up during a conversation last week that has prompted a question. Is the XD Sub-compact legal in California? As an example, I own the XD Sub-compact in 9mm that came new in the box with both a 10 and 16 round magazine. Does the 16 round magazine make the handgun illegal in California or is there something specific about the Sub-compact itself that makes it illegal. If only a 10 round magazine is used is the XD Sub-compact legal in California?

The gun is legal IF ANF ONLY IF that exact gun appears on the DOJ approved list.... and I mean that EXACT gun down to the finish color and all the rest.

Get the exact model number of the gun from the manufacturer's web site and check the list.

[bountyhunter]

Originally Posted by XDONBOARD

Man that sucks, better practice shooting or get multiple clips..... Cant afford to miss.

About 99.9% of civilian "life protecting" firearm encounters occur at ranges of less than seven yards... a distance most humans can cover in under two seconds.

If you don't neutralize the threat in the first or second shot, you will probably be dead anyway. As one training expert was heard to say: "If you don't hit with the first or second shot, the high cap magazine just means there will be more ammo left in the gun they find next to your body."

[crushert]

Would I guess correctly that the guns removed from the "approved" list are no longer made, at least with the specific model number listed? Newer model numbers have replaced them?

[bountyhunter]

Originally Posted by Ishpeck

If it's worth owning, chances are that Kalifornistan won't let you have it.

Not true, most good guns are on the list (SIG's, Berettas, Browning, Colt, SW, etc). The deciding factor is if the manufacturer will see enough sales to justify the expense of the testing.

[XDONBOARD]

Originally Posted by bountyhunter

About 99.9% of civilian "life protecting" firearm encounters occur at ranges of less than seven yards... a distance most humans can cover in under two seconds.

If you don't neutralize the threat in the first or second shot, you will probably be dead anyway. As one training expert was heard to say: "If you don't hit with the first or second shot, the high cap magazine just means there will be more ammo left in the gun they find next to your body."

Thanks for the stats, and good quote! Very true!!!!

[bountyhunter]

Originally Posted by J-ville

I am glad you practice shooting - it is really important. For my 9 years in law enforcement and doing a few years as an entry man duty on a metro SWAT unit the "10 rounds is enough to take out 5 assailants" works out on the range but not in real life. In 18 months we had five officer involved shootings. Lots of cops involved, lots of bullets flying and the average distance of all the shootings was 7 feet, not 7 yards. When the crap starts to hit the fan you shoot until they stop doing what they were doing that made you draw and fire in the first place. I wish the real world of street combat was clean and easy but its not. It is messy, fast and furious. Some of the cops I worked with who were in our study were excellent officers in tactical situations and on the range. Nothing on the street is real textbook. Keep training on the range and it will give you an edge. The last time I interviewed an officer involved in a shooting I asked, "What would like to have going into the next gunfight?" His response was simple, "More bullets!"

I agree an LE might well find him in a gunfight against mulitple perps who are behind cover. Lots of ammo might well be a sane precaution, but the civs who rely on "spray and pray" should not be armed. Nearly all of thm will face a single threat at very close range. if they can't hit them in at most three shots.... forget it.

As for the "keep shooting until they are down" reason for lots of bullets.... it is true that 9mm weapons deliver fatal wounds that are not fatal fast enough. That's an ammo problem which could easily be cured by arming up to the .40SW caliber.

[Bill in San Jose]

Originally Posted by bountyhunter

The gun is legal IF ANF ONLY IF that exact gun appears on the DOJ approved list.... and I mean that EXACT gun down to the finish color and all the rest.

Get the exact model number of the gun from the manufacturer's web site and check the list.

My understanding (and that's all it is), is the gun must be on the DOJ approved list if you're purchasing retail from a FFL. Private-party transfers are exempt (my understanding). If it's not legal for sale, a FFL can not and will not take an order for it.

13-round mags are not legal to buy, sell or possess unless you can proove you owned it prior to the ban.

You can modify the gun after purchase- i.e. add the trijicon night sights yourself that SA sells in a unique part number that is not on the DOJ approved list. If you mean legal for sale by an FFL, then I agree.

Another thing you can't have in CA is a threaded end on the barrel for mounting anything to the barrel.

Remember, Jan 1, 2010 any semiauto that does not mark the spent cartridge with a unique number in 2 places (all semi autos) will be illegal in CA, effectively banning the sale of semi autos.

[Druac]

Originally Posted by bountyhunter

About 99.9% of civilian "life protecting" firearm encounters occur at ranges of less than seven yards... a distance most humans can cover in under two seconds.

If you don't neutralize the threat in the first or second shot, you will probably be dead anyway. As one training expert was heard to say: "If you don't hit with the first or second shot, the high cap magazine just means there will be more ammo left in the gun they find next to your body."

LOL...wouldn't let me just post +1 in the Title with the quote in the Message...so here is some text.

[bountyhunter]

Originally Posted by Bill in San Jose

My understanding (and that's all it is), is the gun must be on the DOJ approved list if you're purchasing retail from a FFL. Private-party transfers are exempt (my understanding).

True, but that can only occur face-to-face in kali for a gun which is already in the state legally and owned by another Kali resident.

Originally Posted by Bill in San Jose

If it's not legal for sale, a FFL can not and will not take an order for it.

True, he should not.

Originally Posted by Bill in San Jose

13-round mags are not legal to buy, sell or possess unless you can proove you owned it prior to the ban.

They have to prove you did NOT legally own them prior to the ban, but that's about the same thing.

Originally Posted by Bill in San Jose

You can modify the gun after purchase- i.e. add the trijicon night sights yourself that SA sells in a unique part number that is not on the DOJ approved list.

You can even add a whole new top end and change the caliber... as long as the original frame was purchased legally, you can do anything you want except turn it into a machine gun.

Originally Posted by Bill in San Jose

Another thing you can't have in CA is a threaded end on the barrel for mounting anything to the barrel.

Yep.

Originally Posted by Bill in San Jose

Remember, Jan 1, 2010 any semiauto that does not mark the spent cartridge with a unique number in 2 places (all semi autos) will be illegal in CA, effectively banning the sale of semi autos.

They will be illegal for new sale, they won't be illegal if you already own them.

[ei8ht]

You are allways welcome to move to Ohio. Last time I
checked we still have lots of room left and the mag limit
here is 30! (for now).LOL