Glock vs XD

[LeeMajors]

Originally Posted by JJ.45

A gun by itself is no more dangerous than a doorknob.

Neither are Great White Sharks. Or HIV.

Is it necessary to state the obvious to try to bust my balls?

[JJ.45]

Originally Posted by LeeMajors

Neither are Great White Sharks. Or HIV.

Is it necessary to state the obvious to try to bust my balls?

sorry.

[FLABOY904]

go over to glocktalk.com and ask them this very same question they will tell you that springfield is garbage etccc. etcc. and glock makes the world go round but I happen to own both but i prefer the xd9sc v.s. my glock 27 because the glock feels a little thick for me as the xd9sc is much more comfortable to hold I do use my g27 in the winter time however everyone is different.

[JJ.45]

del.

[Breadfan]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

My own opinion is that those that constantly rant about Glock's inherent safety problems, would also hurt themselves with a rock!
If you consider yourself responsible enough to own and operate a handgun, then the Glock is no different than any other gun.

I agree with you. However, this is not the first time I read complaints about Glock's safety. That just can't be coincidence. I also agree with one of the members in this thread saying that Glock is indeed more prone to AD's then other guns.

However, if properly trained AD's should never happen. The one and the most important rule of all is: keep your finger OFF the trigger all the time (unless you intend to shoot) and (this is my personal preference) never leave or carry with a loaded chamber (unless the circumstances require you to do so).

Unless the gun has some sort of defect, chances of it firing by itself are very, very slim.

[JJ.45]

Originally Posted by Breadfan

and (this is my personal preference) never leave or carry with a loaded chamber (unless the circumstances require you to do so).

....getting popcorn....

[MGD 45]

The one and the most important rule of all is: keep your finger OFF the trigger all the time (unless you intend to shoot).

Couldn't agree with you more on this point!

(this is my personal preference) never leave or carry with a loaded chamber (unless the circumstances require you to do so).

I hope you never have to pull your gun in a life threatening situation when seconds count....because trust me on this, you won't even THINK about racking your slide. You'll be stuck pulling on a useless trigger.

There's a reason why us LEO's never go to work toting guns without a "round in the pipe".....in these types of situations, you can only react, not have time to remember if the gun is loaded & then trying to make it so.

Not meaning to bust your balls at all......

[Kgeren]

I'm sorry, but Glocks can not go full auto. If you carefully look at the design and the sequence of events that must occur in order to fire, you will agree eventually. If you've ever experienced a quick double tap -- you pulled the trigger twice.

I apologize in advance if that sounded blunt.

Originally Posted by bountyhunter

No sir, that is wrong. And I like Glocks and I own a Glock 35, but their safety system has at least one glaring defect:

the firing pin blocking safety on a Glock is simply lifted by the trigger bar, it does not have a "pivoting reset lever" that beretta, browning and Sig use which requires the trigger be released and repulled before the firing pin is unblocked.

The crucial need for this is to prevent multiple fire or full auto events if something goes awry in the sear/striker area (which does happen). If the gun fires and a Glock cycles (loading a live round) the shooter will still have his finger on the trigger as the slide locks into battery.... and if the striker slips off the "sear face" on the trigger bar from impact, you have a machine gun that will empty the mag into the ceiling.

As far as AD's, the safest gun is the Beretta 92. When the decocker/safety is lowered the trigger is disconnected and the firing pin is blocked. You can pull, the trigger, drop the gun, and beat on the back of the hammer with a tire iron: it can't fire.

Glocks are OK guns. But, their safety philosophy is a little bit naive. They have a "trigger safety" which is defeated when anyone or anything touches the trigger..... they have a firing pin blocking safety (better than nothing) which is in place only so long as (say it with me) nothing has moved the trigger to the rear.

They have no safety which can be 'set" which renders the gun inert... which is either a good thing or bad thing depending on circumstances. The good news is there is no safety to accidentally leave on.... the bad news is there is no safety to intentionally leave on.

[Puppy]

Originally Posted by Pete V

Let me start by saying I am a newbie and failed to introduce my self and tell the Forum Members and Staff that this is a Great site!!! Featuring a great Hand Gun!!.. I have learned a lot, and have saved many of the helpful hints.

I live in a small township in N.J. and know the Police Chief well he told me if you buy a Glock “be careful not shoot yourself” his service and off duty Guns are Clocks.

Much has been said about how Glock has this and the XD has that and this one shoots better than that one. I test fired both a Glock an Xd in 40 Cal and an Xd in 9mm. I like or rather love!!!! the Xd and put a deposit on a 4 “compact 45 acp over the Glock for numerous reasons grip, trigger pull, size and more both are made and shoot well. The one point that sold me and should sell hose having a hard time deciding was SAFETY. the Glock only has a trigger safety, while the XD has a Grip Safety Trigger Safety and Chambered Round iIndicator, that can be felt and seen

About 2 or 3 years ago an Easton P.A officer with 10 years on the force shot and killed a 9 year veteran (one shot in the back.) while in the gun room at the Station House.. I don’t recall the cal but am almost certain it was a Glock. The officer stated that he does not know how it happened the gun just went off, he later applied for and got early retirement due and a mental disability caused by the shooting; I believe 2.5 million was given to the widow to settle out of court

From what have read and heard the Glock was primarily meant for the Military and Law Enforcement both of which are trained to a higher standard then the average civilian. Draw and Fire (if needed) and do it as quick as possible. I believe XD not only is a safer Hand Gun but it does so without slowing the draw and fire time, compared to the Glock.

Some hot shot lawyer will sue Glock...In court he will show the Judge and Jury both A Glock and the XDl saying they both do the same job shoot and (possibly kill), maybe he will show the number of accidental shooting accidents for both guns.. He might even site the former Surgeon General Josalyn Elders when she said we need safer guns and safer bullets. He will tell them if one can be made safer why not the other..

I think at some point in time whether by Law or Lawsuits Glock will be forced to change their design. The Ford Pinto, Chevrolet Pickups with side mounted fuel tanks, Crown Victoria Gas Tanks, and so many other law suits prove that.


thanks for those who read it

Pete V

Good post but I have one disagreement. You stated that Law Enforcement personnel are trained to higher standards.

Read the latest FBI crime/violence report and you will find that they aren't even as well trained as the dirt bags they get in gunfights with.

The report said the average gang Banger goes shooting 23 times a year while the average LEO is required to have no more than 14 hours annually.

In gun fights between the two the LEO's averaged 0 for 7 and the dirt bags 3 for 12.

This dismal picture no doubt has multiple causes, but I would bet that one is the Police agencies not spending enough money on ammunition.

[Puppy]

Originally Posted by bountyhunter

No, by definition NEGLIGENCE is exactly what causes ND's.... and negligence is a common human trait seen widely in this world. As I said, safety systems which are effective at preventing negligent discharge in the real world environment where people are not perfect are a good thing.

Seems to me like Semantics, AD vs ND is meaningless. A gun goes bang when it shouldn't. Who cares what it is called? Then to say a Glock is safe because while it is prone to ND it is not prone to AD is about as meaningless as any statement I can think of. Forget AD or ND, Is it safe if it goes off and kills or injures someone when you don't want it to do so?

For a new thread how about' "How many Angels can dance on the head of a pin?"