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deline7 · 04-22-2005, 06:23 PM

Hello evereyone. I have had my 9mmXD for a little over two years and I love it. I have noticed an occasional problem for the gun to double feed when it has a high round count thru it, 250+ rnds. I was at a class a short time ago and predicted to the instructor that it would double feed around 2-300 rnds and becasue of the gun doing this occasionally I could clear it in a few seconds. Not sure if he believed me but I did clear it in a couple seconds.

Anyhow, is a double feed a common problem for XD's? What causes it and how can it be fixed?

Background info: 4" XD 9mm, maybe 10,000ish rnds total thru gun, I clean it with Hoppes#9, oil with Breakfree CLP, serial #95??, its an early one that has Croatia stamped on the slide.

Any info/help is appreciated...

ajamesp51 · 04-22-2005, 06:37 PM

When you say double feed.... the round fires and the case is stuck in the chamber some what or is still in the slide, and the slide moves another round into the old round? If thats it then maybe a new extractor as soon as 200-300 rounds the carbon bulds up enough that the extractor fails.

deline7 · 04-22-2005, 07:11 PM

As many times as this has happened to me I can't say wether or not it is a spent round or a new round in the chamber. BUT, i think its a fresh round in the chamber and one pressing into the rear of it.

RicochetJim · 04-24-2005, 07:19 AM

I'm no expert, but I don't see how double feeding two live rounds is possible. I would guess you are seeing a FTE, i.e. a failure-to-extract a spent casing. If so, ajames comment about the extractor is germane -- the extractor is not catching the lip of the casing. If the extractor is not damaged, then I would pay particular attention to cleaning the extractor claw where crud can accumulate.

WWIIArmsLover · 04-24-2005, 10:35 AM

It could happen if you had a faulty magazine. It use to happen fairly often during Basic Training with the M16s.

BeardXXXd · 04-25-2005, 01:47 PM

my opinion is this..

most likely the shell in the chamber is dead and you had a FTE.
i would say after 10k rounds ur ejector is worn.
the ejector is slightly worn that after 200-300 rounds it gets enough gunk on it to make it FTE.

u need to give us more info
like the casing in the chamber is spent right?
does it consistly happen after the first one?
is the ejector dirty after u have this issue

mullanman · 04-25-2005, 02:19 PM

Double feed is a type III malfunction. Empty case not extracted in the chamber and one triying to feed from the mag.

To clear you must:

1. Lock the slide back (slide lock)
2. drop the mag.
3. Rack you slide to eject the empty case.

They are generally caused by bad extractors or ejectors. I'd first check the extractor as this is the major pitfall with the XD.

deline7 · 04-27-2005, 07:11 PM

Ok, so if it is the extractor can I repair it myself? Or do I send it to SA?

This problem happens often once the gun has more than 200 or so rounds in a day. It does not happen round after round maybe once in a 300 round day.

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I'm no expert, but I don't see how double feeding two live rounds is possible. I would guess you are seeing a FTE, i.e. a failure-to-extract a spent casing. If so, ajames comment about the extractor is germane -- the extractor is not catching the lip of the casing. If the extractor is not damaged, then I would pay particular attention to cleaning the extractor claw where crud can accumulate.

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I have to agree. I dont see how it could be a live round either. On the other hand, I have never seen much gunk/crud under the extractor. Could it be the metal has lost some of its tension? Or the edge getting rounded and not catching the casing?

I would like to add that it is always with winchester white box 100rnd.

RicochetJim · 04-28-2005, 06:25 AM

I have heard of getting the extractor "re-tensioned". A local gunsmith should be able to do it if you don't want to send it in to SA.

If it starts happening after ~200 rounds, maybe the heating up of the internal parts could cause the extractor claw to miss the cartridge rim -- in which case re-tensioning may solve the problem. Also, switch from WWB to CCI Blazer and see if that makes a difference.

Actually, there was a change in the extractor design some time back (I don't know how long ago the change was made). Somebody once posted a picture showing the difference, but I can't find it. I doubt if you have one of the old design, but I thought I would mention it anyway.

u8o0 · 04-28-2005, 09:27 AM

Shooting times autoloaders buyers guide 2004 did a 5000 round test with the XD. The tip of their extractor broke off. The XD kept firing fine and the author did not notice. In your case, it may be worn enough to be out of Spec or broke off enough to not feed.

04-22-2005, 06:23 PM	#1
deline7 XDTalk Newbie Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4	Double Fed XD Hello evereyone. I have had my 9mmXD for a little over two years and I love it. I have noticed an occasional problem for the gun to double feed when it has a high round count thru it, 250+ rnds. I was at a class a short time ago and predicted to the instructor that it would double feed around 2-300 rnds and becasue of the gun doing this occasionally I could clear it in a few seconds. Not sure if he believed me but I did clear it in a couple seconds. Anyhow, is a double feed a common problem for XD's? What causes it and how can it be fixed? Background info: 4" XD 9mm, maybe 10,000ish rnds total thru gun, I clean it with Hoppes#9, oil with Breakfree CLP, serial #95??, its an early one that has Croatia stamped on the slide. Any info/help is appreciated...

04-22-2005, 06:37 PM	#2
ajamesp51 XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Birmingham, Al Posts: 5,027	When you say double feed.... the round fires and the case is stuck in the chamber some what or is still in the slide, and the slide moves another round into the old round? If thats it then maybe a new extractor as soon as 200-300 rounds the carbon bulds up enough that the extractor fails. __________________ "God shall not have his word made manifest by cowards" RWE www.xd-hs2000.com

04-24-2005, 07:19 AM	#4
RicochetJim XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 619	I'm no expert, but I don't see how double feeding two live rounds is possible. I would guess you are seeing a FTE, i.e. a failure-to-extract a spent casing. If so, ajames comment about the extractor is germane -- the extractor is not catching the lip of the casing. If the extractor is not damaged, then I would pay particular attention to cleaning the extractor claw where crud can accumulate. __________________ Jim XD-40 Service Model with Heinie night sights XD-9 Sub-Compact Bi-Tone Taurus 605 snubby .357 magnum

04-25-2005, 01:47 PM	#6
BeardXXXd XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Westmorland Posts: 724	my opinion is this.. most likely the shell in the chamber is dead and you had a FTE. i would say after 10k rounds ur ejector is worn. the ejector is slightly worn that after 200-300 rounds it gets enough gunk on it to make it FTE. u need to give us more info like the casing in the chamber is spent right? does it consistly happen after the first one? is the ejector dirty after u have this issue __________________ My Website Ballistic Chart a sense of epic grandeur!

04-25-2005, 02:19 PM	#7
mullanman XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,909	Double feed is a type III malfunction. Empty case not extracted in the chamber and one triying to feed from the mag. To clear you must: 1. Lock the slide back (slide lock) 2. drop the mag. 3. Rack you slide to eject the empty case. They are generally caused by bad extractors or ejectors. I'd first check the extractor as this is the major pitfall with the XD. __________________ USPSA L2683

04-22-2005, 07:11 PM	#3
deline7 XDTalk Newbie Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4	As many times as this has happened to me I can't say wether or not it is a spent round or a new round in the chamber. BUT, i think its a fresh round in the chamber and one pressing into the rear of it.

04-24-2005, 10:35 AM	#5
WWIIArmsLover XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania Posts: 174	It could happen if you had a faulty magazine. It use to happen fairly often during Basic Training with the M16s.

04-28-2005, 06:25 AM	#9
RicochetJim XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 619	I have heard of getting the extractor "re-tensioned". A local gunsmith should be able to do it if you don't want to send it in to SA. If it starts happening after ~200 rounds, maybe the heating up of the internal parts could cause the extractor claw to miss the cartridge rim -- in which case re-tensioning may solve the problem. Also, switch from WWB to CCI Blazer and see if that makes a difference. Actually, there was a change in the extractor design some time back (I don't know how long ago the change was made). Somebody once posted a picture showing the difference, but I can't find it. I doubt if you have one of the old design, but I thought I would mention it anyway. __________________ Jim XD-40 Service Model with Heinie night sights XD-9 Sub-Compact Bi-Tone Taurus 605 snubby .357 magnum

04-28-2005, 09:27 AM	#10
u8o0 XDTalk Newbie Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Green Country, OK Posts: 27	Shooting times autoloaders buyers guide 2004 did a 5000 round test with the XD. The tip of their extractor broke off. The XD kept firing fine and the author did not notice. In your case, it may be worn enough to be out of Spec or broke off enough to not feed.

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