XD safeties, vs the Glock counterpart? - XDTalk Forums - Your HS2000/SA-XD Information Source!

BoneDigger · 09-07-2007, 12:31 PM

I presently own a XD9 Service and I am thinking of getting a XD40sc or a XD9sc soon. Today at the range I test fired a Glock .40 compact (not sure of the number, maybe a 37 or something). Anyway, I was pleasantly surprised that the Glock felt pretty good too. However, I read a few articles on the web about a few cases of accidental discharge by LEO when their coat string got caught in the trigger guard while holstering,. When they removed their coat later, the string pulled tight and dsicharged a bullet into their leg. Apparently this has happened more than once (once in Louisiana, once in Maryland, and once in some other place that I don't remember right now). There are probably other instances as well.

I have been really considering the XDsc, the Glock, and the M&P, which has a trigger safety similar to the Glock. I'm now thinking that maybe I will just stick with the XDsc. A locl dealer has one in OD and one in black for around $475.

I would like any input you guys can give me regarding the safety mechanism on the XD, the Glock, and the M&P. Am I just being paranoid about the trigger safety?

Todd

aphexafx · 09-07-2007, 12:50 PM

Um...well in regards to the trigger safety only, all of the guns you mentioned would technically have the same issue. If something catches the trigger and disengages the trigger safety, the trigger will be ready to disengage the sear. However, the XD's grip safety would save your leg in this situation.

The grip safety is one of the major selling points for the XD line.

Mikey · 09-07-2007, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aphexafx

Um...well in regards to the trigger safety only, all of the guns you mentioned would technically have the same issue. If something catches the trigger and disengages the trigger safety, the trigger will be ready to disengage the sear. However, the XD's grip safety would save your leg in this situation.

I agree entirely with the exception of the last sentence. I don't know about most people but I know that when I personally reholster, I have a full grip on the gun. In that case, should a string get caught on the trigger, my leg would still be in a world of hurt. Hm, guess I'll be rethinking my grip during reholstering....

Ishpeck · 09-07-2007, 01:26 PM

Mechanical safeties be damned.

The reason you choose the XD over the Glock is because the XD is not a sewing machine.

rogerxd45 · 09-07-2007, 01:32 PM

i like the grip saftey it make me at least feel safe with out haveing an on off swith which i dont like

cid_ayrbourne · 09-07-2007, 01:41 PM

One other question I have for a Glock in .40. The have a known issue with not fully supporting the round in the chamber, which leads (theoretically) to a large number of documented KBs. Where as the XD has a fully supported chamber.

Is this an ongoing issue in Glocks? Or has this been corrected in their design?

aphexafx · 09-07-2007, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikey

I agree entirely with the exception of the last sentence. I don't know about most people but I know that when I personally reholster, I have a full grip on the gun. In that case, should a string get caught on the trigger, my leg would still be in a world of hurt. Hm, guess I'll be rethinking my grip during reholstering....

Actually, the situation he is describing is where the trigger is pulled when the coat is removed, the hand is not gripping the gun, and in that situation the grip safety would indeed be a leg saver.

It's easy to get into the habbit of at least releasing (engaging) the grip safety while holstering! It is a good idea, like you said.

It would also be a good idea, I guess, to get into the habbit of doing a quick swipe with your fingers around the gun after it is seated to make sure that there are no strings or whatnot, hellbent on ruining your day, caught with the firearm in the holster.

LKB3rd · 09-07-2007, 02:17 PM

The safety (or lack thereof) on glocks is a big reason i was inititally drawn to the glockish xd design. It's like a new and improved glock to me, with the reliability and simplicity still intact.

roadhippie · 09-07-2007, 03:17 PM

I have both, 4 actually, all XD's. In a previous lifetime I owned 2 glocks, the 17 and 23, I didn't like either of the glocks. They were lighter than the XD's and I felt more recoil (up and to the right). I guess I could have gotten used to it but just didn't like the glocks, I think I secretly hated being on a shooting range and all 23 other shooters were shooting glocks also.
My favorite is the 40SW service then the recently aquired XD SS subcompact. I'm carrying the sub all the time now, giving the 40 a rest. The sub is not a lightweight with the SS chamber, it is extremely accurate though, which suprised me. The only thing I could say that's wrong with it is during IDPA competitions I had one hell of a time knocking down those big steel plates at 50'. I was hitting COM but they still wouldn't go down. When I switched to the .40SW Service they went down with the first shot.

bountyhunter · 09-07-2007, 03:38 PM

The key safety the Glock does not have is a firing pin blocking safety that automatically resets when the slide moves out of battery after firing, which means an XD can not go full auto or double fire, but a Glock definitely can.

IMHO, the Glock's design using a bump on the trigger bar to lift the FP safety is dangerous, since it disconnects the safety when the trigger is pulled.... and it disconnects it every time the slide cycles back to battery, without a release and repull of the trigger.

09-07-2007, 12:31 PM	#1
BoneDigger XDTalk Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Tyler, TX Posts: 69	XD safeties, vs the Glock counterpart? I presently own a XD9 Service and I am thinking of getting a XD40sc or a XD9sc soon. Today at the range I test fired a Glock .40 compact (not sure of the number, maybe a 37 or something). Anyway, I was pleasantly surprised that the Glock felt pretty good too. However, I read a few articles on the web about a few cases of accidental discharge by LEO when their coat string got caught in the trigger guard while holstering,. When they removed their coat later, the string pulled tight and dsicharged a bullet into their leg. Apparently this has happened more than once (once in Louisiana, once in Maryland, and once in some other place that I don't remember right now). There are probably other instances as well. I have been really considering the XDsc, the Glock, and the M&P, which has a trigger safety similar to the Glock. I'm now thinking that maybe I will just stick with the XDsc. A locl dealer has one in OD and one in black for around $475. I would like any input you guys can give me regarding the safety mechanism on the XD, the Glock, and the M&P. Am I just being paranoid about the trigger safety? Todd

09-07-2007, 12:50 PM	#2
aphexafx XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 671	Um...well in regards to the trigger safety only, all of the guns you mentioned would technically have the same issue. If something catches the trigger and disengages the trigger safety, the trigger will be ready to disengage the sear. However, the XD's grip safety would save your leg in this situation. The grip safety is one of the major selling points for the XD line. __________________ Bleh.

09-07-2007, 01:26 PM	#4
Ishpeck XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Earth Posts: 4,035	Mechanical safeties be damned. The reason you choose the XD over the Glock is because the XD is not a sewing machine. __________________ When given a chance to issue letters of marque and reprisal against Bin Laden, Congress voted against it and instead, voted the Patriot Act into law. Tells you who they think their real enemies are. http://www.ishpeck.net/

09-07-2007, 01:41 PM	#6
cid_ayrbourne XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Space Coast, FL Posts: 543	One other question I have for a Glock in .40. The have a known issue with not fully supporting the round in the chamber, which leads (theoretically) to a large number of documented KBs. Where as the XD has a fully supported chamber. Is this an ongoing issue in Glocks? Or has this been corrected in their design? __________________ This message has been brought to you by Absolute Total Insanity (ATI). And remember, if it's not Absoulte Total Insanity, it's probably just a nervous breakdown. -ATI

09-07-2007, 03:38 PM	#10
bountyhunter XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Nazifornia Posts: 1,651	The key safety the Glock does not have is a firing pin blocking safety that automatically resets when the slide moves out of battery after firing, which means an XD can not go full auto or double fire, but a Glock definitely can. IMHO, the Glock's design using a bump on the trigger bar to lift the FP safety is dangerous, since it disconnects the safety when the trigger is pulled.... and it disconnects it every time the slide cycles back to battery, without a release and repull of the trigger. Last edited by bountyhunter; 09-07-2007 at 03:49 PM.

09-07-2007, 01:32 PM	#5
rogerxd45 XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: boise ID (its boy-see, not boy-z) Posts: 3,592	i like the grip saftey it make me at least feel safe with out haveing an on off swith which i dont like

09-07-2007, 02:17 PM	#8
LKB3rd XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CT Posts: 928	The safety (or lack thereof) on glocks is a big reason i was inititally drawn to the glockish xd design. It's like a new and improved glock to me, with the reliability and simplicity still intact.

09-07-2007, 03:17 PM	#9
roadhippie XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Dublin, OH Posts: 154	I have both, 4 actually, all XD's. In a previous lifetime I owned 2 glocks, the 17 and 23, I didn't like either of the glocks. They were lighter than the XD's and I felt more recoil (up and to the right). I guess I could have gotten used to it but just didn't like the glocks, I think I secretly hated being on a shooting range and all 23 other shooters were shooting glocks also. My favorite is the 40SW service then the recently aquired XD SS subcompact. I'm carrying the sub all the time now, giving the 40 a rest. The sub is not a lightweight with the SS chamber, it is extremely accurate though, which suprised me. The only thing I could say that's wrong with it is during IDPA competitions I had one hell of a time knocking down those big steel plates at 50'. I was hitting COM but they still wouldn't go down. When I switched to the .40SW Service they went down with the first shot.

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