XD Changes.

[Jmanwit]

Originally Posted by So Flo

I don't get the requests for the thumb safety.
Would one of the requesters give some input as to why you would want this?

I was wondering the same this. Just get a 1911. if you want High-Cap, Get a Doublestack 1911. If you want light weight, get a Doublestack polymer 1911.

[Cleatis1234]

You asked for an explanation of wanting a thumb safety, so I shall provide one. I'm not really interested in an argument on the merits of the thumb safety, if you want to see my argument on that, type Thumb Safety into the search engine and go to the threade titled, appropriately enough Thumb Safety. There's also a poll you can take there.

Familiarity of operation with my other guns, which are primarily 1911's. Also, I like the idea that my (not yours, or anyone else's XD) XD needs to actually have a manual safety disengaged to fire. Not that I don't trust myself, or that I do not feel that I have received adequate training, but because I like the idea of a manually operated safety that the operator has to disengage.

Hi Cap 1911's are expensive. XD's are cheap. Hi cap 1911 magazines are expensive, XD mags are cheap. Besides, I'm in Kalifornia, so there really is no hi cap option, my guns where the total capacity is greater than 10 rounds are artificially limited to 10 round magazines in the interest of public safety (more like public pacification, but that's another story). So, I want a cheap gun with a thumb safety, and a single action trigger, I'm stuck with XD's, sans the thumb safety. Not a bad compromise, as the triggers are single action and inexpensively tuneable, the guns are reasonably accurate, they have a very comfortable grip angle and grip ergonomics, and they offer a five inch barrel. Also a decent aftermarket, though I'd like to see left handed Blackhawk CQC holsters one of these days.

While they're at it, if they do decide to offer the thumb safety option how about getting rid of that Glock trigger lever thingy as well.

[So Flo]

...not looking for an argument, just asking a question...

Makes sense to some degree. I own several 1911's and while the thumb safety is familiar the ease of operation of the XD makes it a very usable, no nonsense handgun.

[SMMAssociates]

So Flo & Jmanwit:

In my case, the thumb safety is about consistency. My primary carries are some kind of 1911. The presence of a thumb safety on an XD (mine's a "house gun", and for something really lightweight in the summer), would just "feel right" to me.... It's a bit of a non-issue functionally - if you're used to flipping a thumb safety, and it's not there, about all you have to do is assume you did it, but there are training issues....

Mostly, I like one more safety when holstering. It's too easy to depress the grip safety in some cases....

Just IMHO, of course....

(Some PD's probably include the thumb safety in their "you can carry it" rules. That leaves the Glock out, too, but that'd be a bit of a phyrric victory for SA.... Para is selling LDA guns to SA-skittish PD's because they're called "double action", even though anybody who knows the 1911 knows that's a stretch.)

Regards,

[Jmanwit]

Originally Posted by SMMAssociates

So Flo & Jmanwit:

In my case, the thumb safety is about consistency. My primary carries are some kind of 1911. The presence of a thumb safety on an XD (mine's a "house gun", and for something really lightweight in the summer), would just "feel right" to me.... It's a bit of a non-issue functionally - if you're used to flipping a thumb safety, and it's not there, about all you have to do is assume you did it, but there are training issues....

Mostly, I like one more safety when holstering. It's too easy to depress the grip safety in some cases....

Just IMHO, of course....

(Some PD's probably include the thumb safety in their "you can carry it" rules. That leaves the Glock out, too, but that'd be a bit of a phyrric victory for SA.... Para is selling LDA guns to SA-skittish PD's because they're called "double action", even though anybody who knows the 1911 knows that's a stretch.)

Regards,

I understand then.

[GRIM]

I would want a double action model, with a decocker

[enfurno]

Originally Posted by LongRider

Back-straps are good. But what I would really like is the rotating barrel of the Beretta Storm for improve accuracy, match grade polished barrel, tungsent guide rod, a drop out adjustable trigger assembly with second strike capability would be nice too. Good night sights standard and a laserLyte or LaserMax UNI to replace the less usable included accessories. A INSIGHT X2 Light / Laser Sight combo would be even better. All at a lower price. Oh and a thousand round any brand ammo coupon. Well you asked and no I won't do the poop test to see which hand fills up first

+1

[Cleatis1234]

if my reply seemed terse, not my intent. In an earlier post, I asked if any of the smiths on this sight would offer a thumb safety similar to what Ten Ring Precision does for the Glock, and if anyone would be interested in having one installed. Got a lot of "train yourself better", "my safety's between my ears", "keep your finger off the trigger", "I don't need one, neither do you" etc. type answers, stuff I already knew. Not what I was looking for, but a fun argument for a little while. Just not interested in having the same argument again, so I figured I'd direct anyone with one of those answers to my other post, and its accompanying poll.

[40packin]

A nice 5lb trigger?

[SMMAssociates]

Cleatis:

I think a thumb safety could be designed into the thing, but I'd settle for a dummy for "consistency" purposes. Springfield probably wouldn't go for that - legal issues out the wazoo.... Seems to me that a thumb safety mounted on the frame could interact with the grip safety or the firing pin block, but I have no idea how to do it. Someday I'll take the thing apart and try to figure out how it works.

And, yes, a nice 5# trigger would be nice. However, when I first got the XD, I let a buddy shoot it. He's a much more experienced shooter than I am in terms of "what". Surprised the heck out of him. The last Tuppergun he'd fired was a long-stroke DA. The XD is definitely NOT that....

Regards,