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age_ranger · 06-08-2007, 03:25 PM

Hi all, new to XD's and the striker type firing mechanism. Need some info here. I've sent off ym XD to Canyon Creek Custom for the trigger work and requested a 4# trigger. I've had numerous pistols (I like the service pistols) and have typically done all my own trigger work. If I go to a @3 trigger for competition do I run the risk of light strikes or is the striker type firing mechanism precocked and the trigger is only used to release the firing pin? I'm just wondering if it might be more beneifical to get a lighter trigger, although I think a 4# trigger is planty light as it is. I guess a 2# wouldn't be terrible, but I'd worry about bumping it. I've seen Glocks bump fire, is it possible for the XD to do the same?

Pardon my ignorance, I'm getting a crash course on XD's here. Thanks in advance.

wot_racing · 06-08-2007, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by age_ranger

Hi all, new to XD's and the striker type firing mechanism. Need some info here. I've sent off ym XD to Canyon Creek Custom for the trigger work and requested a 4# trigger. I've had numerous pistols (I like the service pistols) and have typically done all my own trigger work. If I go to a @3 trigger for competition do I run the risk of light strikes or is the striker type firing mechanism precocked and the trigger is only used to release the firing pin? I'm just wondering if it might be more beneifical to get a lighter trigger, although I think a 4# trigger is planty light as it is. I guess a 2# wouldn't be terrible, but I'd worry about bumping it. I've seen Glocks bump fire, is it possible for the XD to do the same?

Pardon my ignorance, I'm getting a crash course on XD's here. Thanks in advance.

Dont know the answer to the question, but welcome to the forum..

I saw your name and was trying to figure out how you only had 5 posts.. Wrong forum...

Hooz · 06-08-2007, 06:02 PM

The XD is basically a "single action pistol", so I wouldn't go too light on the trigger. I have personally had a Canyon Creek 4# trigger and it is amazing. My 3# Springer Precision competition trigger is also amazing. For that matter... My drop-in trigger job is quite nice, and a serious improvement over stock.

I'd shoot the 4# CC trigger and not sweat the difference. Rich does great work, and even the 4# trigger will have you grinning from ear-to-ear.

Tard · 06-08-2007, 06:38 PM

I have a 2-1/2# trigger from CC on my XD .45ACP Tactical.
Of course, it's now a range-fun-gun only, can't carry it.
Shot the hell out of it, no problems with it at all.

I'm used to a light, crisp trigger from shooting bullseye and wanted ONE of my XDs to have a trigger like that. My XD .40 Service has the Springer 4# carry trigger which is great. My XDsc 9mm has the stock trigger because I carry it everyday (and after 4,000 rounds it's really smoothed up nicely).

Both trigger jobs, while different in nature (target vs. carry) are excellent.

**agalindo** · 06-08-2007, 06:56 PM

If done correctly you won't get light primer strikes and it won't bump fire because of the striker saftey.

Myk9noseknows · 06-08-2007, 07:03 PM

Mine was done by Springer, (as I told you), and it is set at about #3 - #3.5. However, Springer taps the trigger bar to prevent over travel, I don't believe CC does this.

As Agalindo says, there is a striker safety in place. CC says they modify the safeties on their trigger jobs, but all the safety's still work. So by that definition, I doubt you'd be an accidental discharge.

Bring yours along next time we shoot as we can compare the different trigger jobs.

**agalindo** · 06-08-2007, 07:10 PM

Actually the trigger bar mod is for over travel and CC also does it. The light primer strikes happen when you remove pretravel and and over travel but don't adjust the trigger bar tab or saftey leaver to compensate for it. You could adjust for this by having less removed pretravel and it would fix light primer strikes also.

age_ranger · 06-08-2007, 10:11 PM

The pre-travel and overtravel shouldn't effect the action, only the trigger movement, right? Essentially, by changing the length of the trigger bar, it would only change the length of trigger pull required for the trigger bar to engage the firing mechanism, right? Looks like the pretravel can be shortened by adding metal to the trigger bar. The overtravel seems pretty minimal, really......alot less than alot of firearms i've owned. Looks like it's not really too hard to do, but it's not my area of expertise. Best left to the pro's, especially since it's free (minus shipping)

Liking this forum.......

Lots of good info, thanks!

.........yeah, weird to see only 6 posts, huh? lol.......

Paul · 06-09-2007, 05:58 AM

I listen to the experts. IIRC from their websites 4lb is for carry and lower is for competition only. Since you sent it to Rich at CC I would ask him for his recommendation.

rgeliske · 06-09-2007, 08:04 AM

Since you have done your own trigger work before you will understand the striker system. Besides the usual polishing there are 2 springs that effect trigger pull:

The Striker spring and the Sear spring.

The sear spring impacts how much pressure is required to rotate the sear to the point of release. It also determines how quickly the sear returns to the lock position. You can reduce the strength on the sear spring without causing light primer strikes but too little sear spring pressure may cause the sear not to return to the lock position in time to catch the triker on recoil causing the XD to go full auto. NOT GOOD

The striker spring is compressed on recoil and held there by the sear, so it applies pressure to the sear when locked back which also impact trigger pull. It is necessary to overcome the friction cause by the striker spring pressure to allow the sear to rotate to the release position. Changing the striker spring tension will reduce the friction but it will also reduce the force applied to the striker and may cause like primer strikes.

As far as the trigger bar alterations, the main impact is on the trigger travel and not trigger pressure. Reducing overtravel allows quicker second shots by reducing the amount of sear travel past the release point. Reducing pretravel can be done by reducing the length of the trigger bar which allows you to engage the sear quicker in the stroke, also making a faster second shot. Reducing pretravel too much could create a very dangerous condition, while reducing overtravel too much will not allow the sear to release.

You need to be aware of one other thing that is present in the striker type system and that is the amount of movement from when you first engage the sear until the sear releases the striker. This is more noticeable in the XDs that in say a 1911. You will never get an XD to feel as smooth and crisp as a 1911 trigger.

Hope this helps

06-08-2007, 03:25 PM	#1
age_ranger XDTalk Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Plano, Tx. Posts: 37	General info needed on XD trigger jobs Hi all, new to XD's and the striker type firing mechanism. Need some info here. I've sent off ym XD to Canyon Creek Custom for the trigger work and requested a 4# trigger. I've had numerous pistols (I like the service pistols) and have typically done all my own trigger work. If I go to a @3 trigger for competition do I run the risk of light strikes or is the striker type firing mechanism precocked and the trigger is only used to release the firing pin? I'm just wondering if it might be more beneifical to get a lighter trigger, although I think a 4# trigger is planty light as it is. I guess a 2# wouldn't be terrible, but I'd worry about bumping it. I've seen Glocks bump fire, is it possible for the XD to do the same? Pardon my ignorance, I'm getting a crash course on XD's here. Thanks in advance.

06-08-2007, 06:38 PM	#4
Tard XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Machias, WA Posts: 3,015	I have a 2-1/2# trigger from CC on my XD .45ACP Tactical. Of course, it's now a range-fun-gun only, can't carry it. Shot the hell out of it, no problems with it at all. I'm used to a light, crisp trigger from shooting bullseye and wanted ONE of my XDs to have a trigger like that. My XD .40 Service has the Springer 4# carry trigger which is great. My XDsc 9mm has the stock trigger because I carry it everyday (and after 4,000 rounds it's really smoothed up nicely). Both trigger jobs, while different in nature (target vs. carry) are excellent. __________________ The good times have been used up.

06-08-2007, 07:03 PM	#6
Myk9noseknows XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,887	Mine was done by Springer, (as I told you), and it is set at about #3 - #3.5. However, Springer taps the trigger bar to prevent over travel, I don't believe CC does this. As Agalindo says, there is a striker safety in place. CC says they modify the safeties on their trigger jobs, but all the safety's still work. So by that definition, I doubt you'd be an accidental discharge. Bring yours along next time we shoot as we can compare the different trigger jobs. Last edited by Myk9noseknows; 06-08-2007 at 09:18 PM.

06-09-2007, 05:58 AM	#9
Paul XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,648	I listen to the experts. IIRC from their websites 4lb is for carry and lower is for competition only. Since you sent it to Rich at CC I would ask him for his recommendation. __________________ Paul

06-09-2007, 08:04 AM	#10
rgeliske XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,788	Since you have done your own trigger work before you will understand the striker system. Besides the usual polishing there are 2 springs that effect trigger pull: The Striker spring and the Sear spring. The sear spring impacts how much pressure is required to rotate the sear to the point of release. It also determines how quickly the sear returns to the lock position. You can reduce the strength on the sear spring without causing light primer strikes but too little sear spring pressure may cause the sear not to return to the lock position in time to catch the triker on recoil causing the XD to go full auto. NOT GOOD The striker spring is compressed on recoil and held there by the sear, so it applies pressure to the sear when locked back which also impact trigger pull. It is necessary to overcome the friction cause by the striker spring pressure to allow the sear to rotate to the release position. Changing the striker spring tension will reduce the friction but it will also reduce the force applied to the striker and may cause like primer strikes. As far as the trigger bar alterations, the main impact is on the trigger travel and not trigger pressure. Reducing overtravel allows quicker second shots by reducing the amount of sear travel past the release point. Reducing pretravel can be done by reducing the length of the trigger bar which allows you to engage the sear quicker in the stroke, also making a faster second shot. Reducing pretravel too much could create a very dangerous condition, while reducing overtravel too much will not allow the sear to release. You need to be aware of one other thing that is present in the striker type system and that is the amount of movement from when you first engage the sear until the sear releases the striker. This is more noticeable in the XDs that in say a 1911. You will never get an XD to feel as smooth and crisp as a 1911 trigger. Hope this helps __________________ Sig P220, Taurus PT1911, Browning HiPower 9mm, CZ75, CZ75 P01, Kahr CW9, Savage 9317 BTVS .17, Browning Buckmark, Taurus Gaucho 357 (pair), Taurus Gaucho 45LC (pair), Uberti 1873 Saddle Rifle 357, Uberti 1873 45 LC Carbine, TTN 12 Gauge Double, Ruger Bisley Vaquero 357 (pair), Springfield XD9SC, XD45 Service, XD45 Compact Tactical, XD(M) 40S&W BiTone, Glock G35, Taurus 617 357

06-08-2007, 06:02 PM	#3
Hooz XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hilliard, OH Posts: 1,992	The XD is basically a "single action pistol", so I wouldn't go too light on the trigger. I have personally had a Canyon Creek 4# trigger and it is amazing. My 3# Springer Precision competition trigger is also amazing. For that matter... My drop-in trigger job is quite nice, and a serious improvement over stock. I'd shoot the 4# CC trigger and not sweat the difference. Rich does great work, and even the 4# trigger will have you grinning from ear-to-ear. __________________ XD-9 Tactical : XD-45 Tactical Member: IDPA, USPSA, ASSA, NRA, GOA

06-08-2007, 10:11 PM	#8
age_ranger XDTalk Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Plano, Tx. Posts: 37	The pre-travel and overtravel shouldn't effect the action, only the trigger movement, right? Essentially, by changing the length of the trigger bar, it would only change the length of trigger pull required for the trigger bar to engage the firing mechanism, right? Looks like the pretravel can be shortened by adding metal to the trigger bar. The overtravel seems pretty minimal, really......alot less than alot of firearms i've owned. Looks like it's not really too hard to do, but it's not my area of expertise. Best left to the pro's, especially since it's free (minus shipping) Liking this forum....... Lots of good info, thanks! .........yeah, weird to see only 6 posts, huh? lol.......

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