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Bud33 · 05-18-2007, 07:19 AM

Now before you you get all huffed up, this isn't about the safety issue of condition 1 but rather the mechanical issue.
I have read thru the masses of posts about C1 carry but haven't seen this discussed.
With a round in the chamber and the hammer cocked, what is going to happen to the spring tension after a period of time?
I have read where they say that that the mag spring is only stressed from loading and unloading but can't find an opinion (and I know what they say about opinions) on the fatigue on hammer ,sear and main springs.

para_org · 05-18-2007, 07:26 AM

The proper grade of steel, properly heat treated, and then stored stressed (compressed) will NOT have an issue if left in that condition for many many years.

Having said all that, YMMV depending on whether the part was properly designed and manufactured. <- My guess is that the parts in an XD are properly made.

ichy_trigger · 05-18-2007, 07:29 AM

I never saw a gun get worn out from sitting around loaded.

Springs wear out from being exercised, not sitting under tension. If its a worry, they can easily be replaced every so often.

RicochetJim · 05-18-2007, 07:37 AM

There should be no problem with any of the the springs sitting compressed -- in the C1 condition -- over an extended period of time. However, I would expect periodic inspection and cleaning would prevent this "time period" from being absurdly long. IMHO, we shouldn't be talking years.

sloopy70 · 05-18-2007, 07:39 AM

Yeah... the springs are made so that under normal operation theyre not pushed past theyre bending deformation point... or metal memory... i guess you'd call it... now... if you abused the springs such as twisting or stretching them past normal use after disassembily that would be a different thing...

KnightHawk · 05-18-2007, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bud33

I have read where they say that that the mag spring is only stressed from loading and unloading but can't find an opinion (and I know what they say about opinions) on the fatigue on hammer ,sear and main springs.

Spring fatigue is induced the same way, due to cycling. Now, the "hammer" spring and the "main" spring are the same spring; so we're concerned with one less. The sear spring is a leaf spring and is always taking some load but they last forever.

How about this. If springs collapsed due to carrying a constant load, wouldn't your car be flat on the ground now?

Trovan · 05-18-2007, 08:26 AM

My XD doesn't have a hammer....

malkore · 05-18-2007, 12:15 PM

You apparently did NOT search through the forums, because I specifically remember this exact question being asked this month.

monsterdawg725 · 05-18-2007, 01:33 PM

+1 to malkore this has been discussed many times

suprstud65 · 05-18-2007, 01:44 PM

Easy boys we got a newbie on his first post. Bud, these guys are right try the search engine and you will find a wealth of information.

05-18-2007, 07:19 AM	#1
Bud33 XDTalk Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Central Fl Posts: 38	Carry Condition Now before you you get all huffed up, this isn't about the safety issue of condition 1 but rather the mechanical issue. I have read thru the masses of posts about C1 carry but haven't seen this discussed. With a round in the chamber and the hammer cocked, what is going to happen to the spring tension after a period of time? I have read where they say that that the mag spring is only stressed from loading and unloading but can't find an opinion (and I know what they say about opinions) on the fatigue on hammer ,sear and main springs. __________________ Bud "The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that it has never tried to contact us."

05-18-2007, 07:29 AM	#3
ichy_trigger XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 7,525	I never saw a gun get worn out from sitting around loaded. Springs wear out from being exercised, not sitting under tension. If its a worry, they can easily be replaced every so often. __________________ "The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." http://militarysignatures.com/signatures/member2645.png

05-18-2007, 07:37 AM	#4
RicochetJim XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 619	There should be no problem with any of the the springs sitting compressed -- in the C1 condition -- over an extended period of time. However, I would expect periodic inspection and cleaning would prevent this "time period" from being absurdly long. IMHO, we shouldn't be talking years. __________________ Jim XD-40 Service Model with Heinie night sights XD-9 Sub-Compact Bi-Tone Taurus 605 snubby .357 magnum

05-18-2007, 07:39 AM	#5
sloopy70 XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Southwest Louisiana Posts: 1,121	Yeah... the springs are made so that under normal operation theyre not pushed past theyre bending deformation point... or metal memory... i guess you'd call it... now... if you abused the springs such as twisting or stretching them past normal use after disassembily that would be a different thing... __________________ L. J. Joshlin USPSA Range Officer (R.O.) USPSA #A58364 Buckmark UDX Plus Springfield XD-9 10,500 rounds failure free Ithica 12Ga. Ultralight - Gold Trigger Edition Piney Woods Action Shooters sloopy70653@yahoo.com

05-18-2007, 08:26 AM	#7
Trovan XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 367	My XD doesn't have a hammer.... __________________ Za Dom Spremni cede nullis

05-18-2007, 07:26 AM	#2
para_org XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 375	The proper grade of steel, properly heat treated, and then stored stressed (compressed) will NOT have an issue if left in that condition for many many years. Having said all that, YMMV depending on whether the part was properly designed and manufactured. <- My guess is that the parts in an XD are properly made.

05-18-2007, 12:15 PM	#8
malkore XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: eastern Nebraska Posts: 646	You apparently did NOT search through the forums, because I specifically remember this exact question being asked this month. __________________ malkore my guns - http://home.neb.rr.com/malkore/firearms.html

05-18-2007, 01:33 PM	#9
monsterdawg725 XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: chattanooga area TN Posts: 703	+1 to malkore this has been discussed many times __________________ well hell yes its dangerous if it wasnt i wouldnt have no need to carry it ! XD-9 sc bi-tone , ,Keltec p3aT,,Glock 19 9mm , Glock 23 40 s&w, Sig Mosquito 22 . surefire g2,Streamlite Thunder Ranch tl2 ,Streamlight Scorpion Glock tac light.

05-18-2007, 01:44 PM	#10
suprstud65 XDTalk Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 39	Easy boys we got a newbie on his first post. Bud, these guys are right try the search engine and you will find a wealth of information. __________________ "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke XD 45 Service Browning Hi-power 9mm Protec 25 Stag Arms AR-15 Ruger Mark II 7mm Mag 7.62 x 54 mosin nagant Mossberg 835 Ultimag Remington 1100 Saiga 308-1

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