Double tap...

[gahau]

double tapping!
not only it sounds cool but you may encounter this word many times and see movies or ppl at the range performing it
but here is the question
how do u accuratly perform this not only stylish but devastating action?
i have try many time at 7yd, the 2 first bullet went 2 inch apart!!! and the head shot toke me a sec to place... arg this is getting fustrating i wanna be like those asian gangster in thos HK movies or like Tom cruise in that movie with J. Fox
but guys i am seriously trying to correctly perform a DP with 1in apart at at least 10-15 yd
any good advice or anyone know how to???
i shoot a 9mm PX4 from beretta but it would be so impressive with other gun... the 45 XD

thanks guys

[boricua9mm]

You will find that there are two definitions of "double tap." One defnition is squeezing the trigger as quickly as possible twice in succession. The other definition implies firing two shots as quickly as possible with the second shot being fired when the sights return back on target. If you're getting 2" at 7 yards/21feet, you're doing better than most. I practice a little of both, but the distance usually dictates the definition, if you get my drift.

Leave the cinematic shots for Hollywood...this coming from a guy who does Competitive shooting vids! Being realistic is the key to success here...Most people don't shoot 2" groups at 21 yards taking their time. At some point you have to leave good enough alone!

B9

[gahau]

so how do i do it "right"
i mean i did not read book or ask for advice i just did it and felt the gun
i actualy do a little bit of both of what u mentioned...
yea i was kidding about hollywood lol
but yea since i wanna do it i might just go and try to do it right instead of try and error...
and where i can get valid info on DP?

cmon guys i know there must be 1 or 2 GM hidding around this forum =)

thanks

[Loves2Shoot]

Buy 100k rounds of ammo and pratice every day until you can do it. If that does't work, buy another 100K and start over.

With practice you can put 2 to the body 1 to the head in under 1.5 seconds from the draw at 7 yards. That is not uncommon for experienced competition pistol shooters. 2"-3" apart should be acceptable.

Getting some good traing will reduce the # of rounds to get the desired results from your shooting.

[Loves2Shoot]

Ps. Free tip from a GM. Watch the second shot and break it the instance the sight hits the rear notch. That should give you .14.-17 second shot if you get it down AND you will know where it went with practice.

[Tomcat088]

Double tapping is a very good skill to in terms of practicality in a firefight. I do want to say a warning though about this, it's not something to just toy around with or play with because it's "cool" or neat in a movie. It is something that can save your life if you ever have to draw your pistol in those circumstances. First off, the most important thing to be able to do is shoot accurate single shots, if you can't do that then I'd advise to work on that before attempting double taps; if you aren't good at singles already then you'll only build bad habits. With that said, at 10 yards, I can shoot 4 consecutive double taps (8 shots) in about a 1.5x2" ragged hole with my XD-45 Tactical. First off, what you mention with the double tap and the headshot isn't actually a "double tap", it's what is referred to as "The Mozambique" or in PC terms, a "failure drill".

First off, the most important thing about a double tap is your grip (espeically if you want to do it with a .45ACP). If you are a little unsure about yours, then do a search on here about loves2shoot's pistol grip video, you can find it on his springer site. Basically with the proper grip, it just becomes a drill of letting the sites settle and letting the next round good. It's important to focus on the sights, you can't just let the rounds fire off, you have to let them settle to acquire proper sight picture and then squeeze off the next round. Start out slow and somewhat close, and then speed up a bit as you get better, and later moving out the distance.

I do want to say, don't try to be like all the "asian gansters or Tom Cruise" in a movie, they will teach you false expectations and it's really not that "cool". What is an accomplishment is when you can do it for real and not throw out bullets that could injure someone else who is passing by. Please realize that a double tap isn't "a hammer", which is pulling the trigger as fast as you can and basically stringing out 2 shots, accuracy and sight picture isn't a concern in "the hammer". Also realize that The Mozambique isn't designed to be 3 shots all at the same pace. It is designed to be 2 effective center mass shots, and a pause to see if the threat is neutralized, if it is not, then the 3rd(head shot) is used. In most states if my merely did the mozambique at the pace that you do double taps, you'd have a high risk of getting prosecuted for it and going beyond necessary force. Just realize it's something you'd only use if it was necessary to stop a threat, if you can get away with 2 CM shots, then their risk of death and your fault is less, so use it only as a last resort. If you have some doubts about what I said about the mozambique, you can check out some history on it here http://www.thegunzone.com/lore.html .

[Broadside]

Well a couple things....
Do you have a trigger job on the XD? Do you have a timer?

When you shoot double taps or rapid shooting. Next time try trapping the trigger to the rear and hold it to the rear when the gun fires. Release the trigger enough for it to reset the press the trigger to fire again. The pre-travel in the trigger is almost gone saving you time for quick shots. Try it dry firing. Pull the trigger hold it to the rear pull the slide back enough to reset the action and slowly release the trigger. You will hear it click when it resets you can then press it to the rear.

Also you should try the Bill Drill. At 7 yrd put 6 rounds as fast as you can keeping them in the A ring or a 6" x 11" box on the target you are shooting. The bill drill teaches you to watch the front sight and how the gun recoils so you can bring it back on target for quick follow up shots.

A double tap is two rounds to the A ring.

A failure drill is two rounds to the A ring and one to the Head or Groin. A failure drill simulates the suspect wearing body armor or not being stopped when shot. And yes that was one to the groin / pelvis it's a larger target to hit vs. the head and the target will go down.

But really you should get more practice and spending a few hundred on instruction will help take you to the next level.

[gahau]

oh man i love this forum
okok
here is the thing i am not trying to play in the next holywood
it was just a little touch of humor
i do understand the consequense of the mozambique... but why are we carring guns??? personaly its more for my love ones than anythings else... so i do want to learn how to effectively neutrelaze the threat.
here is where i stand, i am new with the XD however i had some experience with handgun 9mm at least my aim is pretty good, i belive that my "grip" is fine (gonna confirm with the site)
but basicly trainning is the key, yea its the same with anything else... but here the thing Tomcat did point out a very important point, BAD HABIT
this is why i am seeking for experienced shooter to actualy tell me how to go about this (your 4 DP sounds very impressive)
but is ther a effective way to teach me how to perform this??? i do not want innocent got get hit like you mentioned....
pics maybe site? video?

and to anwser
broadside
i just have a 4" .45 model all straight from the box

thanks all

[Tomcat088]

Really as loves2shoot said, and he's a grand master, it comes with practice. Alot of the training that you are doing is fine tuned hand eye coordination. So that you can hit the trigger for the next shot, right as the sights settle, without upsetting the sight picture. If you got a good trigger squeeze and grip, then mainly you'll just be getting a feel for the timing, and you can't really get this from a video or pics, only from practice. Just remember, speed isn't everything when you're learning this, accuracy and consistency is most important when you start. Start out smooth, and then the speed will take care of itself later. So start out slower, and then work you way up, as loves2shoot said, when you get good you'll be able to do it fast and know where every shot is going to be.

[Nerves]

I think your getting some great advice here. Double tap is a critical skill (IMHO) for those who conceal carry. An average (BG) with a knife can travel 21 feet (7 yards) inside 2 seconds. Why is this distance and time important? Well if you do some research you will find that most gun fights happen inside that distance. So a BG with an Edge weapon inside that distance might have an advantage, even if you carry. So being able to Draw and put two holes on him (or more) with out worrying if your getting 2 inch groups in what’s critical. Focus on center mass hit’s!

So a draw from concealment and double tap is something I continuously practice every single week at the range plus my dry fire drills at home. I use a five (5) step draw, but as some members mentions first practice trigger discipline, then single shots accuracy, then double taps, afterwards put it all together.

If you’re getting 2 inch groups with your double taps at 7 yards, which is not only good but great, I would not sweat it. Being able to do that is more than enough for combat accuracy needed in real life defensive scenarios. Hollywood does not matter and or how you look doing it.

One of the techniques I started with is to focus on that front sight (every thing else is blurry) and with the proper grip and your weight forward (60/40) on the ball of your feet you will be able to deliver double taps accurately. After a while you will be able to point shoot, meaning the sights are secondary but your accuracy, at that distance suffers little