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Delija · 02-11-2005, 03:03 PM

Before the forum was hijacked I remember reading something about "contact shots"...I think it had something to do with the configuration of the guide rods in the XDs?

Anyway, I tried to look on Google, and came up with nothing relative to gun shots.

I guess a "contact shot" is when the gun is pressed right up against a target. But I was/am curious as to how the configuration of the gun affects this.

IIRC the Subcompact and the tactical/service guns had something different in their designs regarding this whole thing that had been discussed before the "hijack".

Maybe I don't even correctly recall any of this. But it has been sort of stuck in my head and bothering me that I can't remember, can't find anything about it on the "search" function, and can't find anything on Google.

Not that I intend to be making any "contact" shots. But we have had a few threads and posts in the last few days where very close range gun encounters were mentioned (the 3 feet, 5 feet, 5 yards stuff).

In a life and death struggle, is there any reason to not have a gun right up against a target? Are some guns not safe to do this?

Do full length guide rods as opposed to short guide rods have any effect on this?

TIA

Peace,
D.

Windowman2 · 02-11-2005, 03:43 PM

The problem you can get into is that most semi autos will get out of battery when in direst contact with something. The slide will actually move backwards and the gun will not fire. Not a good situation to be in.
Remeber also that most armed encounters are from about three feet away and last about three seconds.

02-11-2005, 03:47 PM

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IIRC the Subcompact and the tactical/service guns had something different in their designs regarding this whole thing that had been discussed before the "hijack".

You're thinking of the stock guide rod for the service and sub. The tactical isn't like that. The little "nub" that sticks out funny on the service/subs is referred to as a "standoff" feature by Springfield. Supposedly to keep the gun in battery for contact shots. I say, bull phooey

Looks to me like it was just a design quirk, that doesn't affect function in any way, but Springfield came up with a good sounding reason for it looking like that

msidner · 02-11-2005, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by HokieMS

Quote:

IIRC the Subcompact and the tactical/service guns had something different in their designs regarding this whole thing that had been discussed before the "hijack".

You're thinking of the stock guide rod for the service and sub. The tactical isn't like that. The little "nub" that sticks out funny on the service/subs is referred to as a "standoff" feature by Springfield. Supposedly to keep the gun in battery for contact shots. I say, bull phooey

Looks to me like it was just a design quirk, that doesn't affect function in any way, but Springfield came up with a good sounding reason for it looking like that

Makes it more "Tactical" I'm sure.

CmptrN3rd · 02-11-2005, 06:18 PM

Only bad thing I can see happening to the gun is it getting all gooey.

Verm · 02-11-2005, 07:08 PM

You never want the gun actually touching because it can go out of battery. Also a trained person will use that plus "trapping" the pistol to attempt a disarm.

CmptrN3rd · 02-11-2005, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Verm

You never want the gun actually touching because it can go out of battery. Also a trained person will use that plus "trapping" the pistol to attempt a disarm.

You mean you could force the pistol into you to disable it so to speak?

mwatson69 · 02-11-2005, 07:29 PM

yes if someone is pointing a pistol at you.. if you can somehow move towards him to jam the gun against you then the pistol will not fire because the pistol is against something solid.. But it seems a little risky to try if you ask me LOL

one-eyed-fatman · 02-11-2005, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by HokieMS

Quote:

IIRC the Subcompact and the tactical/service guns had something different in their designs regarding this whole thing that had been discussed before the "hijack".

You're thinking of the stock guide rod for the service and sub. The tactical isn't like that. The little "nub" that sticks out funny on the service/subs is referred to as a "standoff" feature by Springfield. Supposedly to keep the gun in battery for contact shots. I say, bull phooey

Looks to me like it was just a design quirk, that doesn't affect function in any way, but Springfield came up with a good sounding reason for it looking like that

Your on to em dude. Now they have to kill you.

XD BACKUP GUN · 02-11-2005, 08:06 PM

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yes if someone is pointing a pistol at you.. if you can somehow move towards him to jam the gun against you then the pistol will not fire because the pistol is against something solid.. But it seems a little risky to try if you ask me LOL

Yes you would be crazy to do this or you may have Coconuts the size of texas!

02-11-2005, 03:03 PM	#1
Delija XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 4,150	Contact Shots Before the forum was hijacked I remember reading something about "contact shots"...I think it had something to do with the configuration of the guide rods in the XDs? Anyway, I tried to look on Google, and came up with nothing relative to gun shots. I guess a "contact shot" is when the gun is pressed right up against a target. But I was/am curious as to how the configuration of the gun affects this. IIRC the Subcompact and the tactical/service guns had something different in their designs regarding this whole thing that had been discussed before the "hijack". Maybe I don't even correctly recall any of this. But it has been sort of stuck in my head and bothering me that I can't remember, can't find anything about it on the "search" function, and can't find anything on Google. Not that I intend to be making any "contact" shots. But we have had a few threads and posts in the last few days where very close range gun encounters were mentioned (the 3 feet, 5 feet, 5 yards stuff). In a life and death struggle, is there any reason to not have a gun right up against a target? Are some guns not safe to do this? Do full length guide rods as opposed to short guide rods have any effect on this? TIA Peace, D. __________________ WWRD (sleep?)

02-11-2005, 03:43 PM	#2
Windowman2 XDTalk Newbie Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 12	The problem you can get into is that most semi autos will get out of battery when in direst contact with something. The slide will actually move backwards and the gun will not fire. Not a good situation to be in. Remeber also that most armed encounters are from about three feet away and last about three seconds. __________________ SA XD40 4\" Black Remington 870 HD Yugo SKS Walther PPK AK 47 Romanian

02-11-2005, 07:08 PM	#6
Verm XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Carson City NV. Posts: 814	You never want the gun actually touching because it can go out of battery. Also a trained person will use that plus "trapping" the pistol to attempt a disarm. __________________ Enough firepower, the will and the guts to use it all.

02-11-2005, 07:29 PM	#8
mwatson69 XDTalk Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 63	yes if someone is pointing a pistol at you.. if you can somehow move towards him to jam the gun against you then the pistol will not fire because the pistol is against something solid.. But it seems a little risky to try if you ask me LOL __________________ XD-40 Service w/ Don's Guide Rod and 22# spring, SureSight Walther P-22 in Brushed Chrome Remington 870 Wingmaster 20 Gauge Ruger .22 rifle Marlin 30-30 rifle

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02-11-2005, 06:18 PM	#5
CmptrN3rd XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 244	Only bad thing I can see happening to the gun is it getting all gooey.