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Old 02-03-2005, 09:09 PM   #31
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Thankfully I have never had to do anything beyond revealing the grip of the weapon in-holster.

If anyone is stupid enough to bother with my and my fiancee's house while her parents are staying here for the next little bit, they may be in for a surprise.

My father in law is a deputy sheriff and emergency manager with nearly three decades experience and has brought his beretta, a couple of glocks, and entire array of rifles and shotguns.

Of course... god forbid i cant get to any of the above (or my own weapon, of course), there is always my katana in the corner, bedside... BG forgets to approach the door properly and he might be missing a hand or two depending on his grip when he comes through the door frame into the bedroom (im not stupid enough to confront a potentially armed bg intruder with a mere sword unless there is no other choice... including climbing out the window).
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Old 02-03-2005, 11:14 PM   #32
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All this lawsuit stuff is just a crock of crap. Why sue someone who has no money? Hell, why sue someone like OJ? The court system can't make him pay. More than likely he stuck all his money into his momma's bank account where nobody can get to it except him. From what I've heard he hasn't even paid his lawyers.
Yes, I agree that it's a crock....seems ridiculous to sue someone who has no money. But it happens every day.

And it ends up making life miserable for a lot of people. Joe Blow has no money but he does have a low paying job. Just enough to live on. He is sued for a lot of money....more than he will ever see in his entire life.

If he loses, the fact that he owes the plaintiff $1million and only makes $15k a year does not prevent the guy from having his wages garnished (in this case most likely for the rest of his life).

We have far too much litigation in the US these days. You can be absolutely certain that if you use your gun even in justifiable self defense, you WILL be sued in civil court. Because even if you kill the Bad Guy, the Bad Guy's family can sue you. And they will just because they can. Lawyers will make sure they do.

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There is only one answer, carry a guided multiple warhead nuclear weapon launcher. Get him and all his relatives so there is no one left to sue. Just kidding. ... Sorry, but this part of the consequences makes me wonder if it is even worth carrying and fighting back. Either way you are s*****d. YOu win the fight and either wind up in prison due to a bad defense lawyer or get all of your property taken away buy relatives who are probably as crooked as theh guy you took down. Makes you mad. Reminds me of a quote from the Kung Fu movie with David Carradine. Student - "Master, what is the proper technique for dealing with force?"
Master - "When dealing with force there is one method that never fails. Run away."

Makes you think doesn't it. Avoidance is the best solution.
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Thankfully I have never had to do anything beyond revealing the grip of the weapon in-holster.

If anyone is stupid enough to bother with my and my fiancee's house while her parents are staying here for the next little bit, they may be in for a surprise.

My father in law is a deputy sheriff and emergency manager with nearly three decades experience and has brought his beretta, a couple of glocks, and entire array of rifles and shotguns.

Of course... god forbid i cant get to any of the above (or my own weapon, of course), there is always my katana in the corner, bedside... BG forgets to approach the door properly and he might be missing a hand or two depending on his grip when he comes through the door frame into the bedroom (im not stupid enough to confront a potentially armed bg intruder with a mere sword unless there is no other choice... including climbing out the window).
Actualy swords are very effective against guns or contact weapons in close quarters. Part of it is the psychological effect of a guy with a sword coming at you. Sowrds can be both offensive and defensive and are easier ot use in close quarters. Depending on your skill, you can easily neutralize the BD before he can shoot you. Look at the Teuler drill. I would not use a Katana though, I prefer sabres. Might have something to do with the 20+ years fencing experience.
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Ive heard that homeowners insurance will cover some of these expenses and sometimes all, check with your agent.
I have not used a weapon in self defense as a civilian but was in the first Gulf War and well...thats different I guess.
Its not something you hope to have to do but something you should be prepared to do. The legalities of it all are crazy but when it comes to life and death, there is really only one choice. I have cleared my house many times in the night, my kids sleep tight in their beds because they have no fear of an intruder and damn it, daddy is going to keep it that way. I did come home one time and upon entering my house, found my kitchen window and screen half way open (winter time). I grabbed a pistol and began checking things out, should have exited and called the cops I guess but it didnt hit me at the time. No BG in the house, nothing missing. Did find footprints on the central air unit outside where they stood on it to make entry. We must have came home as they were trying to get in.
Now we have 2 large dogs that do our security work for us. If old Duke (72lb. German Shorthair) starts barking hard, I KNOW someone is around my house. That dog has ears like you wouldnt believe and makes random walks around the house at looking out the windows. I pitty the person that comes through my door, I dont think he would stop chewing on them.
Ok I started rambling..sorry
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Yeay for lawyers... Some lawyers are almost as bad as some of the scumbag criminals they protect. In it for the money, because they know if their client wins the suit they get a percentage.
yup, which is one reason I advocate using lawyers for shoothouse targets. No one seems ready to go that far yet though.

to the topic at hand. I have used the gun, but never put a round downrange in a defense situation. Imagine that, HGI being wrong about the presence of a weapon deterring crime.
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Ive heard that homeowners insurance will cover some of these expenses and sometimes all, check with your agent.
I did check w/ my agent the day after I got my permit. We called underwriting and were told that they were unsure of how it would be handled, but that they likely would deny the claim as it was a result of a "voluntary action" which resulted in them paying the loss. They told me it would be like me trying to get my house paid for after I burned it down by holding a torch to the baseboards. I then asked them if they would rather pay out the 3 million dollar life insurance payoff versus the 1 million liability payoff. Silence. Told underwriting they better figure something out because eventually someone who holds one of their policies is going to end up in a defensive shooting and they were going to have to deal w/ it.
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Look at the Teuler drill. I would not use a Katana though, I prefer sabres. Might have something to do with the 20+ years fencing experience.
Not to get into a pissing match, but a fencing sabre is nothing at all like anything you would want to use for home defense. Nor is a fencing sabre anything at all like a military sabre, which possibly might be useful for that. But I'm sure you know that due to your 20+ years of fencing experience.
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Look at the Teuler drill. I would not use a Katana though, I prefer sabres. Might have something to do with the 20+ years fencing experience.
Not to get into a pissing match, but a fencing sabre is nothing at all like anything you would want to use for home defense. Nor is a fencing sabre anything at all like a military sabre, which possibly might be useful for that. But I'm sure you know that due to your 20+ years of fencing experience.
Well, how about a gool ol' fashioned ROCK!!!!!!!!!! Huck that bad boy at somone's bean and tell em' to sue your broke ASS cause you spent all your money on guns you can't use!!!!
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this **** makes me wanna shoot somebody!
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this **** makes me wanna shoot somebody!
And why not ya know??? In the words of Lt. 3 Star General James Mattis, "Actually, it's a lot of fun to fight. You know, it's a hell of a hoot. ... It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right upfront with you, I like brawling." {Did he just say that, out loud? Maybe he was thinking it and it just popped out. Kinda like "Jack" in that latest Jack-n-the-Box commercial???}
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