XD Accidental Discharge

[beachcityboy]

My friend Josh had come over to show me his new XD9. We had been sitting around for awhile watching some horror flicks. He had his unloaded and open XD9 sitting out. I had stood up to change, because I wanted to go out. As I was changing my shorts, a bright flash came from my right periph coinciding with a loud BAM.

You said he had it unloaded right ?.....then for him to have shot the gun (regardless of what happened) he had to insert the magazine, rack the slide, and then....point it in YOUR direction. In my opinion there's no excuse for what happened, and your blessed to be alive. And as someone else stated, "you didn't stomp a mudhole in his ass?"

You need to find a new friend before this one kills you

[ElrodCod]

The gun didn't just go off by itself. I'll bet dollars to donuts that he had been dry firing the unloaded gun just prior to the incident. He then loaded the gun and absentmindedly pulled the trigger.

[Cornbread2]

An AD is when a firearm fires WITHOUT a trigger pull. It can happen on some cheap junk guns and on some better guns with broken or out of spec trigger group parts.

A ND is when someone pulls the trigger when they are not supposed to do so.

From reading the origional posters explaination of what happened we do not know for sure which one it was.

Most likely it was an ND but it is possible for the XD to have an AD if the striker tab breaks.

[dstorm1911]

How about this, open slide inserts mag as friend is changing hits slide release while finger is on trigger BANG almost kills his friend simply cause he hasn't enough experience or even basic firearms safty knowledge to know to #1 to be aware of muzzle possition #2 keeping finger off trigger

pretty simple classic NEGLIGENT discharge and unfortunatly any jacka$$ who is 21 can walk into a shop here in Az and walk out with a gun with zero experience even knowing how to load said weapon. In this day and age with all the Anti-gun bs there is a huge part of the population who never get an oppertunity to even touch a real gun untill they become "legal" adults and have zero experience they don't bother to get any formal training to make up for the lack of while growing up etc... either for cost reasons (which doesn't cut it for me as there are tons of vollunteers providing basic weapons training in AZ) or they simply don't feel they need it as they've learned all they need to know playin video games and watching t.v ie just slappin in a loaded mag and simultaniously hitting the slide release or my favorite the horizontal gangsta sight picture............

[Cornbread2]

Since it is obvious that both parties lack experience and know nothing about gun design the pistol in question should be looked at by someone that understands the XD design to make sure there is nothing wrong with the pistol itself that could cause it to fire without a trigger pull.

Even though it is only a slight chance that the pistol fired on it's own without a trigger pull you need to have it checked out to avoid the chance of someone getting accidently killed with it.

The two people that were there do not even know what happened so I am sure most of you don't know how it happened either.

We are only guessing that it was an ND. Most likely it was but it would be very foolish not to examine the pistol just to make sure.

Guns that have fired without a trigger pull are more common than some of you think.

[therooster]

here is a solution to your problem:


print these out and memorize/live by them.

4 laws of firearm safety

1. ALL guns are loaded at ALL times

2. NEVER point a weapon at anything you DO NOT intend to destroy

3. keep your finger OFF of the trigger until your sights are on target

4. ALWAYS be sure of your target and what lies beyond it



if you have any questions... ask.

[miamisc2]

if this marine can keep his finger straight and off the trigger in this situation, then there is no excuse for your friend's negligence.
there is absolutely no excuse for what he did, unless he wants you dead. if it was negligence, then you should be extremely concerned! what kind of retard messes around with a loaded gun, knowing that they are in an apartment with people nearby? why is it that when i was in iraq, i was around hundreds of people with weapons and ammo for 8 months and never saw or heard about an accidental discharge? maybe he wanted it to look like an accident? your friend is not being very honest. your friend says he doesn't know what happend? ask him, ask him why the gun was pointing at you. ask him why it was loaded. he must think that you aren't very smart to give you answers like that. i mean at least if he admitted to what he did and had some legitimate answers for how it happend, then i would not be so weirded out by the whole story, but still what was he thinking in the first place?

[SKR1911]

Im in absolute agreement with almost everyone else here. There is no way your friend should own any firearm, at least not until completing an NRA approved basic pistol course (and not those 4 hour ones at some gunshows). To call this negligent is well, sugar coating it. NEVER have your finger on the trigger UNLESS YOU ARE READY TO FIRE THE FIREARM!!! NEVER have the gun loaded UNLESS you are ready to fire it or have it stowed where unathorized persons do not have access and you intend to use it for self defense!!! MOST RELEVANT to your situation NEVER EVER EVER EVER point the gun in an unsafe direction. In an apartment there are not many safe directions, but he certainly should never have had the business end anywhere near you.

The above is what I would harp on as it is possible, althought not probable admitedly, that he may have hand fed a round into the chamber (A SERIOUS NO NO!!) and upon setting down the afformentioned firearm with the slide open he could have somehow (again, not probable) hit the slide release which ABSOLUTELY CAN result in a discharge.

I choose to harp on the 3 basic rules of firearm safety because if you obey them you cannot really come close to taking another's life with an AD. I've heard of AD's happening to police officers, God forbid it should ever happen to me, but if it did I would NEVER EVER EVER EVER have the business end towards anyone (to include pets), or wals in an apt. Also concrete floors can cause richochets so don't assume that is a safe direction either.

You never ever want to shoot someone, for any reason. If you have to then you have to, but you don't ever want to. I will give you the advice I was given, do NOT lose the better part of yourself if it can be avoided, Firearms are NOT toys and are a COURT OF LAST RESORT!!!! You will crap your pants, you will be depressed, and you will cry like someone released the floodgates, you will not eat, you will not sleep, and YOU WILL NOT BE THE SAME PERSON. people preach firearm safety because they are NOT toys and are NOT to be taken lightly.

[deadeye1964]

Originally Posted by ElrodCod

The gun didn't just go off by itself. I'll bet dollars to donuts that he had been dry firing the unloaded gun just prior to the incident. He then loaded the gun and absentmindedly pulled the trigger.

This sounds about right, this is not an accidental discharge, it is a negligent discharge. I would bet there was a trigger pull in there somewhere.

[amishclark]

Originally Posted by ThePainkiller

Well, I guess he had loaded it and was going to set it down when it went off.

eh?