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GooberPHX420 · 06-23-2006, 01:05 AM

Hey there guys, I would much appreciate any insight that you can afford me without ripping me up too badly. Ill openly state that the issue below may very well have been user error.

Quick breakdown:
XD40 (no mods)
Wolf 40 S&W Ammo

About two months ago I purchased 750rds of WOLF ammo from a friend. He had mentioned to me that it had given him a few problems in a couple of different pistols. Whatever, I got it for $50. Figured it was a pretty sweet deal. I can handle a few goof-ups.

So I go to the range and start running through mags. I get to about the 30th round. It fires. Does not eject. Slide is STUCK closed. I am a strapping young lad and it took IMMENSE effort to crack on the slide again and lock it back.

Next problem. Said spent casing is stuck INSIDE the barrel. Will not budge. Ended up having the handy range monitor guy pop it out for me, as I didnt want to damage my beautiful new (gently used) XD. He dislodged it, I began shooting again. Not 5 rounds later (!!!) it does it again. Exact same thing. Range guy asks if Im shooting WOLF and yep, I sure was.

Basically this has happened about 10 times in total, each time with the pistol being absolutely spick and span beautifully cleaned.

Is it fair to blame this on crappy ammo? Ill admit I havent fired anything through it since.

Any ideas/suggestions/comments??

Thanks fellas!

**SgtRich** · 06-23-2006, 02:24 AM

I've never used Wolf ammo but, at the gun shop/range that I normally shoot at, there is a big sign on the range door that says, "Absolutely NO Wolf ammo allowed!"

propellerhead · 06-23-2006, 06:27 AM

Even though I never used it, several people have told me to stay away from Wolf ammo. The gun nut down the hall at work, the gun counter sales guy at Academy, the gun counter sales guy at Cheaper Than Dirt, the range officer, etc.

**agalindo** · 06-23-2006, 06:39 AM

Older wolf ammo used a finish on the case that would sometimes melt and cause the case to stick in the chamber supposedly the new stuff doesn't do this.

happygunner · 06-23-2006, 07:06 AM

That person had a good reason for getting rid of the Wolf Ammo.

And now I think you know what it was.

Clean the breach really good and get some new American Mfg. factory ammo.

qballwill · 06-23-2006, 07:48 AM

this is what the BOXOTRUTH found on their test with wolf through an AR15

"What's happening here is that the steel Wolf cases aren't expanding enough to form a good seal when fired, so some of the (dirty, carbon-filled) gasses are getting between the case and the chamber, causing a build up of carbon in the chamber that is far in excess of normal. Then, firing a brass case that DOES expand fully will result in that case being "glued" into the chamber by the carbon buildup."

" This is certainly not a "bash" against Wolf. I still plan to shoot Wolf as it is the cheapest ammo I can buy. It shoots fine for plinking and I will continue to use it. I will simply be sure to use a chamber brush and carburetor cleaner on the chamber when cleaning it after a shooting session"

ttheobald · 06-23-2006, 08:31 AM

Sounds like the batch you have there has minimally-thin brass. I get the same problem using Magtech ammo in my .454.

The brass is conforming to the walls of your barrel so tightly that your extractor can't yank it.

In my revolver, I wrap the cylinder in a cloth and brace a pen or pencil up through the front hole and against the back of the casing, then knock the other end of the pen(cil) against something. This pushes the casing out of the cylinder, rather than bending my manual ejector trying to get it to pull from the rear of the casing.

In a semi-auto, I'd think this poses more risk of damage to the gun. I'd say just pull the bullets and powder and get some new brass & primers, or sell the batch to someone who will.

T

Boma · 06-23-2006, 09:41 AM

I've had fail to fires several times on Wolf Ammo in 7.62x39. I doubt it was the gun. But I still buy it since it's so cheap. I think next time try CCI Blazer. Cheap and still reliable.

I use Winchester White Box and it's so reliable in the XD.

jon3k · 06-23-2006, 12:00 PM

Blazer is great ammo, I prefer it over WWB. Just shoots a lot better for me (.40S&W service). I'm more accurate, and recoil/muzzle-flip is noticeably softer.

The Knight Of Light · 06-23-2006, 12:45 PM

ARRRRRGGGGHHHH WOLF BADDDD!!!!

06-23-2006, 01:05 AM	#1
GooberPHX420 XDTalk Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 16	XD/GUN PROS! Help a newbie figure out my XD issue. (ammo?) Hey there guys, I would much appreciate any insight that you can afford me without ripping me up too badly. Ill openly state that the issue below may very well have been user error. Quick breakdown: XD40 (no mods) Wolf 40 S&W Ammo About two months ago I purchased 750rds of WOLF ammo from a friend. He had mentioned to me that it had given him a few problems in a couple of different pistols. Whatever, I got it for $50. Figured it was a pretty sweet deal. I can handle a few goof-ups. So I go to the range and start running through mags. I get to about the 30th round. It fires. Does not eject. Slide is STUCK closed. I am a strapping young lad and it took IMMENSE effort to crack on the slide again and lock it back. Next problem. Said spent casing is stuck INSIDE the barrel. Will not budge. Ended up having the handy range monitor guy pop it out for me, as I didnt want to damage my beautiful new (gently used) XD. He dislodged it, I began shooting again. Not 5 rounds later (!!!) it does it again. Exact same thing. Range guy asks if Im shooting WOLF and yep, I sure was. Basically this has happened about 10 times in total, each time with the pistol being absolutely spick and span beautifully cleaned. Is it fair to blame this on crappy ammo? Ill admit I havent fired anything through it since. Any ideas/suggestions/comments?? Thanks fellas!

06-23-2006, 02:24 AM	#2
SgtRich XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 149	I've never used Wolf ammo but, at the gun shop/range that I normally shoot at, there is a big sign on the range door that says, "Absolutely NO Wolf ammo allowed!" __________________ Springfield Armory XD-45 ACP Service Model Glock 21 SF Smith & Wesson M&P 45

06-23-2006, 06:27 AM	#3
propellerhead XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Foat Wurth, TX Posts: 3,516	Even though I never used it, several people have told me to stay away from Wolf ammo. The gun nut down the hall at work, the gun counter sales guy at Academy, the gun counter sales guy at Cheaper Than Dirt, the range officer, etc. __________________ XD-9 Tactical for IDPA, XD-40 Subcompact for concealed carry, XD-45 Service for home defense. Three calibers, three models, three purposes. No compromises.

06-23-2006, 07:06 AM	#5
happygunner XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Houston Tx Posts: 1,139	Reason That person had a good reason for getting rid of the Wolf Ammo. And now I think you know what it was. Clean the breach really good and get some new American Mfg. factory ammo.

06-23-2006, 07:48 AM	#6
qballwill XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Port Bolivar, Tx Posts: 236	this is what the BOXOTRUTH found on their test with wolf through an AR15 "What's happening here is that the steel Wolf cases aren't expanding enough to form a good seal when fired, so some of the (dirty, carbon-filled) gasses are getting between the case and the chamber, causing a build up of carbon in the chamber that is far in excess of normal. Then, firing a brass case that DOES expand fully will result in that case being "glued" into the chamber by the carbon buildup." " This is certainly not a "bash" against Wolf. I still plan to shoot Wolf as it is the cheapest ammo I can buy. It shoots fine for plinking and I will continue to use it. I will simply be sure to use a chamber brush and carburetor cleaner on the chamber when cleaning it after a shooting session" __________________ XD-9 Bitone / XD45ACP Springfield Lt Wt Bitone 1911 S&W first model of 1899 / S&W M&P S&W 10,17,19,27,29,65,625,629,646,686x2 Kel Tec Sub 2000 Bushmaster AR15 M4 Winchester 1300 Defender Texas XD Practical Shooters Association

06-23-2006, 08:31 AM	#7
ttheobald XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 223	Sounds like the batch you have there has minimally-thin brass. I get the same problem using Magtech ammo in my .454. The brass is conforming to the walls of your barrel so tightly that your extractor can't yank it. In my revolver, I wrap the cylinder in a cloth and brace a pen or pencil up through the front hole and against the back of the casing, then knock the other end of the pen(cil) against something. This pushes the casing out of the cylinder, rather than bending my manual ejector trying to get it to pull from the rear of the casing. In a semi-auto, I'd think this poses more risk of damage to the gun. I'd say just pull the bullets and powder and get some new brass & primers, or sell the batch to someone who will. T

06-23-2006, 09:41 AM	#8
Boma XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 684	I've had fail to fires several times on Wolf Ammo in 7.62x39. I doubt it was the gun. But I still buy it since it's so cheap. I think next time try CCI Blazer. Cheap and still reliable. I use Winchester White Box and it's so reliable in the XD. __________________ The art of war teaches us to rely not on the likelihood of the enemy's not coming, but on our own readiness to receive him; not on the chance of his not attacking, but rather on the fact that we have made our position unassailable. -Sun Tzu

06-23-2006, 12:00 PM	#9
jon3k XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 109	Blazer is great ammo, I prefer it over WWB. Just shoots a lot better for me (.40S&W service). I'm more accurate, and recoil/muzzle-flip is noticeably softer. __________________ XD-45ACP Service \| Sig P229 \| Remington 870 Express 12ga

06-23-2006, 12:45 PM	#10
The Knight Of Light XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Posts: 8,835 Blog Entries: 12	ARRRRRGGGGHHHH WOLF BADDDD!!!! __________________ No Matter Where You Go, There You Are. USPSA #L3077 What a great number!!! http://theknightoflight.blogspot.com/ Creator of TOP 'O' THE PAGE!!! Moose Fight

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