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BALTA1 · 04-23-2006, 05:30 PM

Looks like I will have to take my XD in for repairs and I was thinking about getting the "Carry Pro Package" done while it's there. I'm just looking for feedback from anyone who has gotten it done and I was also wondering if anyone has a pic of the springfield custom fiber optic sights?

jednp · 04-23-2006, 08:46 PM

I'm only posting this because I just read it in a magazine I purchased. While anyone is free to get a trigger job done on their gun, after a recent article I just read.. unless it was a competition only gun I wouldn't do it. Even if springfield, or any other gunsmith makes the trigger weight to "carry weight".

Reason being is this, several stories about how prosecutors will try to nail you should you ever have to defend yourself with that gun that has a light trigger on it. They will show that you intentionally had the trigger made lighter, and that you didn't intend to shoot the person and the reason you did, is because in the heat of the moment that light trigger allowed the gun to go off too easily. Regardless of whether you meant to pull the trigger. They don't always get away with it, but the fight to defend yourself destroys your life. Everything you own can be taken away from you in a wrongful death lawsuit due to a light trigger. Anyway the article I read was in the June 2006 Combat Handguns issue.

But, anyone can do what they want. I just know what it's like to go through a lawsuit and have someone else's attorney try to literally destroy your life and make you look like a piece of crap.. and the lawsuit I went through wasn't a shooting lawsuit.. which I would think they would go after you even harder. It destroys your life, makes you feel like you're worthless when you're hit from every angle with someone trying to make you out to be someone you aren't. You know what type of person you are, but that doesn't mean a jury or judge won't see things differently and hang you. For that reason, after reading that article I am no longer interested in a trigger job for a gun I'd use for defense.

The8BitHero · 04-23-2006, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jednp

I'm only posting this because I just read it in a magazine I purchased. While anyone is free to get a trigger job done on their gun, after a recent article I just read.. unless it was a competition only gun I wouldn't do it. Even if springfield, or any other gunsmith makes the trigger weight to "carry weight".

Reason being is this, several stories about how prosecutors will try to nail you should you ever have to defend yourself with that gun that has a light trigger on it. They will show that you intentionally had the trigger made lighter, and that you didn't intend to shoot the person and the reason you did, is because in the heat of the moment that light trigger allowed the gun to go off too easily. Regardless of whether you meant to pull the trigger. They don't always get away with it, but the fight to defend yourself destroys your life. Everything you own can be taken away from you in a wrongful death lawsuit due to a light trigger. Anyway the article I read was in the June 2006 Combat Handguns issue.

But, anyone can do what they want. I just know what it's like to go through a lawsuit and have someone else's attorney try to literally destroy your life and make you look like a piece of crap.. and the lawsuit I went through wasn't a shooting lawsuit.. which I would think they would go after you even harder. It destroys your life, makes you feel like you're worthless when you're hit from every angle with someone trying to make you out to be someone you aren't. You know what type of person you are, but that doesn't mean a jury or judge won't see things differently and hang you. For that reason, after reading that article I am no longer interested in a trigger job for a gun I'd use for defense.

I was also thinking about getting a trigger job on my XDSC but I never thought of what you said about it being held in court against me... I think Ill keep my trigger stock. Thanks for that insight.

jednp · 04-23-2006, 10:27 PM

quite welcome.. I'm not saying someone is wrong for getting a trigger job. But it really made me think about it. Last thing I need to do is be victimized by the courts even more than an attacker does to me already. Just felt the information is worth getting out there, and letting all of the members here make the decision themselves after knowing it. There were several cases where due to light triggers the gun actually did go off a 2nd time, unintentionally and that made the case against them even stronger. One of the cases was against a police officer as well. When someone sues you, if it's a case where you modified the gun and it accidentally went off in the heat of the moment due to a light trigger, your homeowners isn't going to be likely to pay out on that for a settlement. You sure don't have deep pockets like insurance companies do, and you'd be taken for everything you own. So, like I said.. I'm leaving my trigger as it is on any gun I'd use for defense. Just not worth it to me. One long 4 year lawsuit for something else messed up my life enough, I don't need to be torn apart by attorneys again for defending myself with a light trigger gun.

dsglenn · 04-24-2006, 06:37 AM

I guess my question is: How would the court or whoever holds your pistol know that you have had a the trigger modified?

I think that if your under pressure and start sqeezing the trigger with knowing it I don't think there will be a difference in the weight of the trigger pull, considering it's not a 2lb competition job.

jednp · 04-24-2006, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsglenn

I guess my question is: How would the court or whoever holds your pistol know that you have had a the trigger modified?

I think that if your under pressure and start sqeezing the trigger with knowing it I don't think there will be a difference in the weight of the trigger pull, considering it's not a 2lb competition job.

Well that's a good question, and the answer is simple. Much of the time, when you are involved in a shooting and charges are being sought on you.. or even considered, you're forced to turn your gun over as evidence. Then they can do an analysis on it, and they can find out what the factory trigger weight is for the gun. And there will be a difference in trigger weight if you start pulling under pressure. I know my shotgun has a lot lighter pull than my XD40, and it doesn't take near as much for it to go off. The trouble one can get into here is this.. lets say you shoot someone once, maybe in the stomach right? And he stops and turns around, hunched over and stops trying to harm you. Your finger is still on the trigger, and you don't intend to shoot again... yet under stress, your light trigger allows your slight tremble in your hand to cause the gun to go off again, shooting the guy in the back and through the heart, killing him. That's really happened, with a .22 and the guy pretty much admitted it happened, that he didn't intend to shoot the 2nd time. So, they went after the light trigger.

it's happened with cops, and regular people. A cop had a revolver or a shotgun, I can't remember which one. Anyways he had the gun pointed at a suspect to keep him at bay, somehow someone behind him bumped him and it caused the gun to go off. The reason it went off was because it had a lightened trigger and they were gonna hang that cop for it. turns out, his butt got saved due to the fact that the department issued him that gun so it wasn't his fault, but the department paid a hefty settlement. The same sometimes happens with revolvers being shot in single action mode. that's why a lot of departments went to DAO triggers. I'm not saying I think this crap is right, hanging someone out to dry after they've defended themselves with a gun... just saying what has proved to happen in some cases. I know in my city, where the prosecutor, mayor, police chief and lots of others are anti-gun.. they wouldn't hesitate to go this route.

merkin.muffley · 04-24-2006, 10:55 AM

A fellow I shoot with weekly got it done to his XD-45. Trigger is fantastic, right at 4.2 lbs on a Lyman digital trigger gauge. Sights leave a lot to be desired. We shot it last with my Glock with Tru-glo fibers and both agreed the Tru-glo's are a much better sight, much brighter and easier to see.

AMBTX · 04-24-2006, 10:59 AM

I read that same article. I probably won't be getting a trigger job on my carry XDSC for that very reason. I don't need some slimey attorney making me out to be a nut with a hair trigger .
Now range guns are another matter. I would consider it on those.

btadamsdvd · 04-24-2006, 11:01 AM

jednp: I read that same article as you did. I agree that a light trigger can hang you in court, however an improved trigger is different. The article was referring to very light triggers (around 2 lbs) that are extremely easy to pull. However most trigger jobs are just to improve the function of the trigger, not always to make it lighter. The difference between 5.5# (factory), and 4.3# (modified) will not be likely to hang you in court because it is not sufficiently light to be consider a hair trigger. If you don't like the function of the trigger, get it modified. Don't use a 2# trigger for carry/self defense, and be aware that they are most likely going to sue you for damages no matter what.

**jalley** · 04-24-2006, 11:05 AM

What magazine are you guys talking about. I'd like to get a copy of it to read.

04-23-2006, 05:30 PM	#1
BALTA1 XDTalk Newbie Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 7	Has anyone got the "Carry Pro Package" from SA? Looks like I will have to take my XD in for repairs and I was thinking about getting the "Carry Pro Package" done while it's there. I'm just looking for feedback from anyone who has gotten it done and I was also wondering if anyone has a pic of the springfield custom fiber optic sights? __________________ XD-9 Service XD-40 Tactical XD-45ACP Tactical

04-24-2006, 06:37 AM	#5
dsglenn XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 182	I guess my question is: How would the court or whoever holds your pistol know that you have had a the trigger modified? I think that if your under pressure and start sqeezing the trigger with knowing it I don't think there will be a difference in the weight of the trigger pull, considering it's not a 2lb competition job. __________________ dsglenn True tolerance is not a total lack of judgment. It's knowing what should be tolerated - and refusing to tolerate that which shouldn't. --Chuck Colson

04-24-2006, 10:59 AM	#8
AMBTX XDTalk Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 79	I read that same article. I probably won't be getting a trigger job on my carry XDSC for that very reason. I don't need some slimey attorney making me out to be a nut with a hair trigger . Now range guns are another matter. I would consider it on those. __________________ A Eruchîn, ú-dano i faelas a hyn an uben tanatha le faelas. \"Show them no mercy for you shall receive none\"

04-24-2006, 11:01 AM	#9
btadamsdvd XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Commonwealth of Virginia Posts: 182	jednp: I read that same article as you did. I agree that a light trigger can hang you in court, however an improved trigger is different. The article was referring to very light triggers (around 2 lbs) that are extremely easy to pull. However most trigger jobs are just to improve the function of the trigger, not always to make it lighter. The difference between 5.5# (factory), and 4.3# (modified) will not be likely to hang you in court because it is not sufficiently light to be consider a hair trigger. If you don't like the function of the trigger, get it modified. Don't use a 2# trigger for carry/self defense, and be aware that they are most likely going to sue you for damages no matter what. __________________ The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. - TJ \"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance?\" -TJ

04-24-2006, 11:05 AM	#10
jalley XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: WV Posts: 1,409	What magazine are you guys talking about. I'd like to get a copy of it to read. __________________ HS2000 Gen 1, HS2000 Gen 2 sc xd 9mm service xd 45ACP, service xd 9mm tactical xd 45ACP

04-23-2006, 08:46 PM	#2
jednp XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 4,691	I'm only posting this because I just read it in a magazine I purchased. While anyone is free to get a trigger job done on their gun, after a recent article I just read.. unless it was a competition only gun I wouldn't do it. Even if springfield, or any other gunsmith makes the trigger weight to "carry weight". Reason being is this, several stories about how prosecutors will try to nail you should you ever have to defend yourself with that gun that has a light trigger on it. They will show that you intentionally had the trigger made lighter, and that you didn't intend to shoot the person and the reason you did, is because in the heat of the moment that light trigger allowed the gun to go off too easily. Regardless of whether you meant to pull the trigger. They don't always get away with it, but the fight to defend yourself destroys your life. Everything you own can be taken away from you in a wrongful death lawsuit due to a light trigger. Anyway the article I read was in the June 2006 Combat Handguns issue. But, anyone can do what they want. I just know what it's like to go through a lawsuit and have someone else's attorney try to literally destroy your life and make you look like a piece of crap.. and the lawsuit I went through wasn't a shooting lawsuit.. which I would think they would go after you even harder. It destroys your life, makes you feel like you're worthless when you're hit from every angle with someone trying to make you out to be someone you aren't. You know what type of person you are, but that doesn't mean a jury or judge won't see things differently and hang you. For that reason, after reading that article I am no longer interested in a trigger job for a gun I'd use for defense.

04-23-2006, 10:27 PM	#4
jednp XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 4,691	quite welcome.. I'm not saying someone is wrong for getting a trigger job. But it really made me think about it. Last thing I need to do is be victimized by the courts even more than an attacker does to me already. Just felt the information is worth getting out there, and letting all of the members here make the decision themselves after knowing it. There were several cases where due to light triggers the gun actually did go off a 2nd time, unintentionally and that made the case against them even stronger. One of the cases was against a police officer as well. When someone sues you, if it's a case where you modified the gun and it accidentally went off in the heat of the moment due to a light trigger, your homeowners isn't going to be likely to pay out on that for a settlement. You sure don't have deep pockets like insurance companies do, and you'd be taken for everything you own. So, like I said.. I'm leaving my trigger as it is on any gun I'd use for defense. Just not worth it to me. One long 4 year lawsuit for something else messed up my life enough, I don't need to be torn apart by attorneys again for defending myself with a light trigger gun.

04-24-2006, 10:55 AM	#7
merkin.muffley XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 110	A fellow I shoot with weekly got it done to his XD-45. Trigger is fantastic, right at 4.2 lbs on a Lyman digital trigger gauge. Sights leave a lot to be desired. We shot it last with my Glock with Tru-glo fibers and both agreed the Tru-glo's are a much better sight, much brighter and easier to see.

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