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AndrewTK · 02-13-2006, 05:54 PM

I recently purchased an XD9 for recreational shooting as well as home defense. I would like to say that this board is full of great information, but i have not found anyone with a problem like i have experienced. This past weekend I broke the gun down for cleaning after shooting a couple of hundred rounds. While re-assembling the slide onto the grip frame, the rod assembly slipped off its perch and caused the barrel to move forward in the slide while the slide came back. I wasn't bringing the slide on too fast, but it happened in an instant and i was unable to stop it. The result was the barrel becoming lodged in the end of the slide, and the slide was totally stuck. The gun was only a week old, so I was not about to hit the slide with anything. I took the gun to the dealer who i bought it from (they also claim to be a gunsmitn), and the first thing they did was take it into the back and begin beating it very hard, as it was audible throughout the store. I was really unhappy about this, as the visibly damaged the finish of the slide around the cocked indicator, and they were also unable to budge the slide. They are holding the gun until tomorrow, when the other gunsmith works again so he can evaluate it. I talked to springfield (they were very helpful) and they said that in the future i need to send the gun straight to them, as they will not repair any damage done by the gunsmith. First, has anyone ever heard of the rod and spring coming out of place and causing this tight of a lockup, and second, what do you think the responsibility of the gunsmith is for the damages done to the gun. I am very unhappy about the damaged finish, but i dont know if they will be willing to rectify the problem. Sorry for the long post, and i appreciate any input on the subject.

**Old School** · 02-13-2006, 06:00 PM

Get the gun the SA and have them fix it. The guide rod coming off does happen, unfortunatly. You need to make sure it is well seated before reassembly.

As for the finish, is the metal dinged or is the finish just scuffed? I ask because you can purchase a black pen to touch up the finish, and you should be good to go. The Blue Wonder Re-Black Kit will also help.

OS

ichy_trigger · 02-13-2006, 06:06 PM

If SA will not fix their damage then the gunsmith/shop needs to pay for someone of YOUR choosing to put a comparable finish on the gun and fix any damage that their mallet technique may have caused. I would not settle for anything less and after their show of ineptitude, I would not allow them to do anything further on my gun. You may have gouges in the external surfaces of your barrel and those should be repaired at their expense as well. If they fail to meet your demands, I would tell them that you are more than willing to go to small claims court over the affair and you will also warn EVERYONE you know about the situation. Small claims court fees are low and will have to be paid by the looser.

Gunshops have to be very competative in todays market and would benefit greatly at keeping you as a HAPPY customer.

AndrewTK · 02-13-2006, 06:07 PM

Thanks for the quick reply. As I said, this gun is new to me and it is my first Semi-Auto (I have owned revolvers in the past). As far as the damage, i noticed that the bottom corners of the slide had bee deformed, although i dont know if they were damaged enough to affect the slide, as it currently doesnt move. I am more worried about the preesure that was put on the barrel when they were hammering it, as that seems to be where it is binding. should this be something I am concerned with?

**Old School** · 02-13-2006, 06:10 PM

I would bet the Gunshop who attempted the repair is not familiar with the XD. Send it to SA, have them fix it. If they charge for the finish, send the invoice to your local shop. If they refuse to pay, do what Ichy said. It will cost them close to nothing to fix their damage.

OS

PS: This is why I no longer install sights.

tec · 02-13-2006, 06:16 PM

Is the slide partially forward, with the barrel ramp under the locking block?? If so this is what happened to my XD45ACP. I fixed it myself, it took some doing, about 5 minutes once i figured out what needed to be done. Let me know.......

This is what mine looked like, but the slide was on it when it got stuck. The barrel feed ramp was UNDER the block feed ramp.

AndrewTK · 02-13-2006, 06:43 PM

Tec,
I think that is what it looks like, though the picture is a bit small for me to tell. The slide on my gun is forward, with the barrel sitting in front of the feed ramp. How did you get it apart again?

Don · 02-13-2006, 09:14 PM

The takedown lever has a slot that a spring end rides in when the lever is in the two standard positions: parallel to the barrel and at a right angle to the barrel. If you are very carefully and move the lever to 45° the spring end will be on a peak that will let you push the lever out. It will still be tight, but it can be made to come out. Once this is out of the way there is nothing to keep the slide and barrel in the frame and it should all slide off. If your striker is cocked you will need to "fire" it to release the sear from the striker. Only do this if you are 100% sure that there is no cartridge in the chamber. Even then point it in a safe direction (redundant habits make you safe).

It is a tedious postiion of the lever that makes this work, so it may be too much to do on your own. I find it helps to have one person working the lever while another applies pressure to remove it. You still may want to send it in, but it is possible to work thru this at home.

tec · 02-14-2006, 05:47 AM

I like Don's suggestion better then mine, you may want to try his way first. I did try that and it didn't work for me.

Click on the picture and it should get bigger.

I did this with an UN-loaded gun. Please make certain yours is UN-loaded.

My way was to take a brass bolt , not a steel one , but a brass bolt, and a hammer (I used my daughters 4oz hammer). Clamp the gun to a solid table, muzzle down, with the muzzle hanging over the edge of the table, with nothing under it, that way the slide and barrel can move freely. I clamped the trigger guard to the table using 2 spring clamps and a metal bar that went thru the trigger guard, with a clamp on either side of the metal bar. Then I used the hammer to strike the brass bolt that was placed on the back end of the barrel, on the , I think their called locking lugs. It only took a couple of whacks on this and the barrel slid forward and freed everything up. Now you do have to use common sense on this. Hit the brass bolt, not the slide. Use your body, if needed, to support the gun as you hit it, removing the chance to break the trigger guard. Don't slide off and hit the feed ramp or edge of the internal barrel. You may want to put a little oil between the slide and the barrel, I did not, but it may help.

I had worked on the gun two hours before going to this method. This way only took , maybe five minutes, from start to finish. I only had to hit the brass bolt maybe five six times. Medium to light power blows.

No damage to the gun or parts of the gun using this method.
Using my original method, which I will not describe, I sorta whacked my rear sight, which sorta reshaped it, which sorta is not good.

IT is a little scary to whacks a gun with a hammer and brass bolt, but it can be safely done to fix the problem.

Mail Clerk · 02-14-2006, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndrewTK

I recently purchased an XD9 for recreational shooting as well as home defense. I would like to say that this board is full of great information, but i have not found anyone with a problem like i have experienced. This past weekend I broke the gun down for cleaning after shooting a couple of hundred rounds. While re-assembling the slide onto the grip frame, the rod assembly slipped off its perch and caused the barrel to move forward in the slide while the slide came back. I wasn't bringing the slide on too fast, but it happened in an instant and i was unable to stop it. The result was the barrel becoming lodged in the end of the slide, and the slide was totally stuck. The gun was only a week old, so I was not about to hit the slide with anything. I took the gun to the dealer who i bought it from (they also claim to be a gunsmitn), and the first thing they did was take it into the back and begin beating it very hard, as it was audible throughout the store. I was really unhappy about this, as the visibly damaged the finish of the slide around the cocked indicator, and they were also unable to budge the slide. They are holding the gun until tomorrow, when the other gunsmith works again so he can evaluate it. I talked to springfield (they were very helpful) and they said that in the future i need to send the gun straight to them, as they will not repair any damage done by the gunsmith. First, has anyone ever heard of the rod and spring coming out of place and causing this tight of a lockup, and second, what do you think the responsibility of the gunsmith is for the damages done to the gun. I am very unhappy about the damaged finish, but i dont know if they will be willing to rectify the problem. Sorry for the long post, and i appreciate any input on the subject.

Andrew TK,

I'd get it to SA as soon as possible. Most likely (my opinion) they'll refinished for you. Under these circumstances you'll have to document what had happened for SA. The gunshop should'nt have taken on the job of damgeing/repairing your pistol just because they're a shop that deals in guns because they put themselves in a bad situation. They think your not going to make a big deal outta it despite the possible damage that being inflicted on it. I think your situation is unique as it's never happened too me but that doesn't mean that it won't. Take picture of the damage and document everything. Your accross the board cooperation will acutally strengthen your side in the matter and you'll make friends in the process.

Mail Clerk

02-13-2006, 05:54 PM	#1
AndrewTK XDTalk Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 4	XD 9 Slide stuck I recently purchased an XD9 for recreational shooting as well as home defense. I would like to say that this board is full of great information, but i have not found anyone with a problem like i have experienced. This past weekend I broke the gun down for cleaning after shooting a couple of hundred rounds. While re-assembling the slide onto the grip frame, the rod assembly slipped off its perch and caused the barrel to move forward in the slide while the slide came back. I wasn't bringing the slide on too fast, but it happened in an instant and i was unable to stop it. The result was the barrel becoming lodged in the end of the slide, and the slide was totally stuck. The gun was only a week old, so I was not about to hit the slide with anything. I took the gun to the dealer who i bought it from (they also claim to be a gunsmitn), and the first thing they did was take it into the back and begin beating it very hard, as it was audible throughout the store. I was really unhappy about this, as the visibly damaged the finish of the slide around the cocked indicator, and they were also unable to budge the slide. They are holding the gun until tomorrow, when the other gunsmith works again so he can evaluate it. I talked to springfield (they were very helpful) and they said that in the future i need to send the gun straight to them, as they will not repair any damage done by the gunsmith. First, has anyone ever heard of the rod and spring coming out of place and causing this tight of a lockup, and second, what do you think the responsibility of the gunsmith is for the damages done to the gun. I am very unhappy about the damaged finish, but i dont know if they will be willing to rectify the problem. Sorry for the long post, and i appreciate any input on the subject.

02-13-2006, 06:00 PM	#2
Old School XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Illinois Posts: 7,583	Get the gun the SA and have them fix it. The guide rod coming off does happen, unfortunatly. You need to make sure it is well seated before reassembly. As for the finish, is the metal dinged or is the finish just scuffed? I ask because you can purchase a black pen to touch up the finish, and you should be good to go. The Blue Wonder Re-Black Kit will also help. OS __________________ Visit www.pistolgear.com for all of your XD needs!

02-13-2006, 06:06 PM	#3
ichy_trigger XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 7,417	If SA will not fix their damage then the gunsmith/shop needs to pay for someone of YOUR choosing to put a comparable finish on the gun and fix any damage that their mallet technique may have caused. I would not settle for anything less and after their show of ineptitude, I would not allow them to do anything further on my gun. You may have gouges in the external surfaces of your barrel and those should be repaired at their expense as well. If they fail to meet your demands, I would tell them that you are more than willing to go to small claims court over the affair and you will also warn EVERYONE you know about the situation. Small claims court fees are low and will have to be paid by the looser. Gunshops have to be very competative in todays market and would benefit greatly at keeping you as a HAPPY customer. __________________ "The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." http://militarysignatures.com/signatures/member2645.png

02-13-2006, 06:10 PM	#5
Old School XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Illinois Posts: 7,583	I would bet the Gunshop who attempted the repair is not familiar with the XD. Send it to SA, have them fix it. If they charge for the finish, send the invoice to your local shop. If they refuse to pay, do what Ichy said. It will cost them close to nothing to fix their damage. OS PS: This is why I no longer install sights. __________________ Visit www.pistolgear.com for all of your XD needs!

02-13-2006, 09:14 PM	#8
Don XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Pullman, WA Posts: 4,187	The takedown lever has a slot that a spring end rides in when the lever is in the two standard positions: parallel to the barrel and at a right angle to the barrel. If you are very carefully and move the lever to 45° the spring end will be on a peak that will let you push the lever out. It will still be tight, but it can be made to come out. Once this is out of the way there is nothing to keep the slide and barrel in the frame and it should all slide off. If your striker is cocked you will need to "fire" it to release the sear from the striker. Only do this if you are 100% sure that there is no cartridge in the chamber. Even then point it in a safe direction (redundant habits make you safe). It is a tedious postiion of the lever that makes this work, so it may be too much to do on your own. I find it helps to have one person working the lever while another applies pressure to remove it. You still may want to send it in, but it is possible to work thru this at home. __________________ Don geek with guns Why don\'t you all f-f-f-fade away.... FAQ - Don\'s Guide Rod

02-13-2006, 06:07 PM	#4
AndrewTK XDTalk Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 4	Thanks for the quick reply. As I said, this gun is new to me and it is my first Semi-Auto (I have owned revolvers in the past). As far as the damage, i noticed that the bottom corners of the slide had bee deformed, although i dont know if they were damaged enough to affect the slide, as it currently doesnt move. I am more worried about the preesure that was put on the barrel when they were hammering it, as that seems to be where it is binding. should this be something I am concerned with?

02-13-2006, 06:16 PM	#6
tec XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Holland Ohio Posts: 8,643 Blog Entries: 1	Is the slide partially forward, with the barrel ramp under the locking block?? If so this is what happened to my XD45ACP. I fixed it myself, it took some doing, about 5 minutes once i figured out what needed to be done. Let me know....... This is what mine looked like, but the slide was on it when it got stuck. The barrel feed ramp was UNDER the block feed ramp.

02-13-2006, 06:43 PM	#7
AndrewTK XDTalk Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 4	Tec, I think that is what it looks like, though the picture is a bit small for me to tell. The slide on my gun is forward, with the barrel sitting in front of the feed ramp. How did you get it apart again?

02-14-2006, 05:47 AM	#9
tec XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Holland Ohio Posts: 8,643 Blog Entries: 1	I like Don's suggestion better then mine, you may want to try his way first. I did try that and it didn't work for me. Click on the picture and it should get bigger. I did this with an UN-loaded gun. Please make certain yours is UN-loaded. My way was to take a brass bolt , not a steel one , but a brass bolt, and a hammer (I used my daughters 4oz hammer). Clamp the gun to a solid table, muzzle down, with the muzzle hanging over the edge of the table, with nothing under it, that way the slide and barrel can move freely. I clamped the trigger guard to the table using 2 spring clamps and a metal bar that went thru the trigger guard, with a clamp on either side of the metal bar. Then I used the hammer to strike the brass bolt that was placed on the back end of the barrel, on the , I think their called locking lugs. It only took a couple of whacks on this and the barrel slid forward and freed everything up. Now you do have to use common sense on this. Hit the brass bolt, not the slide. Use your body, if needed, to support the gun as you hit it, removing the chance to break the trigger guard. Don't slide off and hit the feed ramp or edge of the internal barrel. You may want to put a little oil between the slide and the barrel, I did not, but it may help. I had worked on the gun two hours before going to this method. This way only took , maybe five minutes, from start to finish. I only had to hit the brass bolt maybe five six times. Medium to light power blows. No damage to the gun or parts of the gun using this method. Using my original method, which I will not describe, I sorta whacked my rear sight, which sorta reshaped it, which sorta is not good. IT is a little scary to whacks a gun with a hammer and brass bolt, but it can be safely done to fix the problem.

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