We the Jury Find......

[Don]

Originally Posted by jkontos

What part of the story is missing? Careless parents allowed their child to tragically drown. I know where my 2-year old is and what she's doing at all times. Period. There is no choice in the matter when you have infants. Well, there is...and here we see the devastating results.

Jury of your Peers? Good luck with that...maybe your peers, not mine.

I gotta agree, from when my daughter was born until she burned herself on the woodstove, she was never out of sight when about more than 10 seconds. If she was about and crawling, we kept track of her. We weren't overbearing, just aware and we figured aware was just part of parenting.
Now about the woodstove: usually the heat is self limiting, so we did not worry about it. At the point where she decides to break thru her natural revulsion and come in contact with it, well that just reinforced her natural revulsion and no permanent damage done. Sort of from then on, she learned that our warnings had merit, and all was well and we did not watch her as close. Now that stretched our awareness lapse out to 1 maybe 2 minutes. Finally some free time!
When you are parents you have to give up your own world, and make sure someone else's world is safe.

[jkontos]

Originally Posted by Don

When you are parents you have to give up your own world, and make sure someone else's world is safe.

Man, what a perfect way to sum up being a parent! Well done.

1-2 minutes free time...I can relate to that!

[ArmyBound]

Has anyone ever answered this question differently from the responses here? cant imagine who could sounds like plain common sense to me...in the state of florida you cannot sell a house with a swimming pool without providing a saftey fence approved by a home inspector and its a shame you have to have laws like that to protect children from irresponsible parenting

[Palmguy]

Originally Posted by thelongone13

Well, since we're missing a HUGE part of the story, we don't have much choice. In order to hear a case, a jury must hear both sides presented with evidence. We've heard part of one side with no evidence. So here we go, we make up our own evidence and state our opinion based upon said evidence. Have you ever been to court for a Trial by a Jury of your Peers?

You don't know what you are missing. It might be a lot, might be exactly as it is laid out here. Point is, it doesn't matter. This isn't a courtroom. We are not a jury. No one is making up evidence. This is a discussion forum. The point of the OP is to discuss a story that was told. Nothing more, nothing less. Personally, it sounds to me as if the family is responsible. My POV might change if there was missing information. But I'm not about to vote on a jury on this, so it doesn't matter. Also, I don't know that we've heard "one side", as it seems from the OP that the story came from an attorney that wasn't even involved in the case, so it's more of a third party narrative than a closing argument.

[Straight-Talk]

What a bunch of crap . They couldn’t figure out that their kid could fit through the door. If there are any lawsuits it should be against them for criminally negligent manslaughter. Enough...enough...and enough with always blaming someone else for our mistakes. This is the worst and a horrible tragedy and that is where it should end. What should the label have said "if you are too stupid to figure it out on your own...please be aware that little people can also go thru this opening!"

[Neomet]

Originally Posted by thelongone13

In order to hear a case, a jury must hear both sides presented with evidence. We've heard part of one side with no evidence. So here we go, we make up our own evidence and state our opinion based upon said evidence. Have you ever been to court for a Trial by a Jury of your Peers?

While juries will hear evidence they will rarely if ever hear all of the evidence, only what gets admitted. Big difference. So in a way people's opinions here are no different than that of the jury that might hear this case. You just have to understand that the opinions are based on the "evidence" that is presented in these posts, not on a week or two of testimony. I think people anywhere are entitled to an opinion on the matter without having sat in the jury box.

[thelongone13]

Originally Posted by Palmguy

You don't know what you are missing. It might be a lot, might be exactly as it is laid out here. Point is, it doesn't matter. This isn't a courtroom. We are not a jury. No one is making up evidence. This is a discussion forum. The point of the OP is to discuss a story that was told. Nothing more, nothing less. Personally, it sounds to me as if the family is responsible. My POV might change if there was missing information. But I'm not about to vote on a jury on this, so it doesn't matter. Also, I don't know that we've heard "one side", as it seems from the OP that the story came from an attorney that wasn't even involved in the case, so it's more of a third party narrative than a closing argument.

Don't take offense, but I think he was asking how a court would find in that case, so I addressed this issue and have been doing that all along. In my own opinion, the parents are the idiots.

[FatboyCykes]

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These doors have been around in some form or another for awhile now. For 300 dollars, it would've saved the child. Very sad story.

[Palmguy]

Originally Posted by thelongone13

Don't take offense, but I think he was asking how a court would find in that case, so I addressed this issue and have been doing that all along. In my own opinion, the parents are the idiots.

If you were on the jury would you decide for the family or with the door company?

[Shane77624]

Originally Posted by ArmyBound

Has anyone ever answered this question differently from the responses here? cant imagine who could sounds like plain common sense to me...in the state of florida you cannot sell a house with a swimming pool without providing a saftey fence approved by a home inspector and its a shame you have to have laws like that to protect children from irresponsible parenting

I agree, it seems like common sense. On the other forum where I took this from one poster stated that in his experience the majority of juries would find in favor of the parents. He stated that this was because the folks on the jury would think that this one little case isn't going to hurt the big ol manufacturing company.

It really makes me wonder sometimes. Just like having a fence around the pool.....I understand that it is practical and good judgement, but there is no way that you (the pool owner) should be liable if someone (who is uninvited) gets hurt in your pool. It is just like someone stepping in a hole in your front yard and breaking a leg while leaving your house after breaking in. Can they sue you? Yes. Will they win? 50/50