Is there really a problem with the XD40????

[USMC-PRIDE]

need some insight about why these 2 are here look no further than this current thread and

this one.... http://www.hs2000talk.com/viewtopic....asc&highlight=

Check out the very mature post of pictures on page 6 by his buddy mallninja, ooops I meant, ninjadroid.

This is the majority of both of there contributions to the forum.

Crofrog Quote "or if HK comes out with the absolutely perfect pistol for my mission I'd switch."

What is your mission??????

[Captain Ray]

Sigh...

I am doing my best to consider these two persons credible.. but it is getting hard. If they don't like the gun.. then sell it. I don't think any person on this forum would hesitate to buy it. I will buy it.. if it is the POS that they claim, I think I am justified in offering a very low price.

If it's a lemon.. get rid of the fuggin' thing. I wouldn't have a gun in my arsenal that I didn't trust. If I point my XD at an object, a hole will soon appear. That is all the trust I need. If these men prefer GLOCKS.. I don't have any issues with that. Personally, I think GLOCKS are fine weapons... I just don't like the way they feel in my hand. I do like SIG's, and HK's.. but they are kind of spendy. But that is me... I have my own preferences.

Raymond

[ninjadroid]

I sold mine to Overkill. And Glocks are certainly not my favorite --- my current gun is a Sig P226.

[crofrog]

Originally Posted by USMC-PRIDE

What is your mission??????

My mission is simple. To keep the people I love and myself alive.

[USMC-PRIDE]

My mission is simple. To keep the people I love and myself alive.

I figured you were Delta Force or Green Berets.

[pdjplano]

Originally Posted by Captain Ray

I am doing my best to consider these two persons credible.. but it is getting hard.

They are credible in that they don't like the XD from a reliability standpoint, because of their own personal experience and the "research" they did on various forums.

They made a choice that is perfectly valid for them regarding continuing to own/use an XD.

From what I can see, they feel they have some 'duty' to 'inform' others of their experience and like to hang around to see how people respond.

On their arguments themselves, they have no true statisical evidence to support any claim of reliability and/or engineering problem. They merely revert to "internet statistics" and things that they make up to "explain" why their reasoning is sound from an engineering perspective, regardless of the fact that they have done no true engineering analysis on the issues they claim [see prior posts regarding the ejector, locking blocks/pressure and mags].

It is VERY common on the internet, especially on forums focused on a particular product or narrow range of products. You should have seen the Tivo board in the early days, you'd have thought every single Tivo ever produced was broken!!

I expect they will continue to hang around b/c they think it is entertaining, and/or there are people they hope to influence against the XD based on their experience and self-indulging 'expertise' in handgun engineering. As with most forums, they go away if they get bored, and usually never before then

[ninjadroid]

Originally Posted by pdjplano

I expect they will continue to hang around b/c they think it is entertaining, and/or there are people they hope to influence against the XD based on their experience and self-indulging 'expertise' in handgun engineering. As with most forums, they go away if they get bored, and usually never before then

What's your sign, cutie? We seem to cross paths all the time.



I expect you to hold yourself to the same standards of veracity and scientific thoroughness that you hold me. Only I don't at all.

Me and crofrog will get back to you with a structural integrity report on the XD in a week or so. Since we're poor, we won't be able to stress test XD after XD, but we'll be able to point out the flaws and the physics behind them.

[crofrog]

Originally Posted by pdjplano

I expect they will continue to hang around b/c they think it is entertaining, and/or there are people they hope to influence against the XD based on their experience and self-indulging 'expertise' in handgun engineering. As with most forums, they go away if they get bored, and usually never before then

yes it is entertaining, you guys are the exact same "tennifer twinks" you see at glock talk only you like the XD instead. I find the hypocrisy amusing.

I'm not an expert never claimed to be. In fact I've have said I'm not an expert on a few different occasions. I've stated time and time again, We've used the best data avalable to us to come to the conclusions we did. Sometimes you have to work with what you got as ****ty as it may be.

Very few, frankly no one, has presented a resoned argument to contray. It has normally come down to ad hominem attacks against us. Like above, I've never claimed to be an "expert" on handgun engineering, yet you use this to refute the fact that there are some improperly engineered / designed peices on the gun. The locking block not being radius cut is a design / engineering flaw. Me not being an expert does not change that fact.

Shocked I figured you were Delta Force or Green Berets.

I'm not entirely sure how to respond to that. I've never misrepresented myself. Being that in your name you say you are a marine, you have my respect, being out there on the pointy end takes balls. I'm seriously considering serving my country through an armed service or Police deptarment. I've not fully collected my thoughts on the matter so I've yet to make the commitment. I'm fairly happy with my IT carrier right now, and the significant pay cut it would require futher muddles my desicision. Thank you for your service past or present. (that applys to all members of the Armed forces and any cops on this or any other board)

Chris

[pdjplano]

Originally Posted by ninjadroid

What's your sign, cutie? We seem to cross paths all the time.

My sign is "engineer out of water", do they have a picture for that?

Originally Posted by ninjadroid

I expect you to hold yourself to the same standards of veracity and scientific thoroughness that you hold me. Only I don't at all.

Of course, when valid data is presented you can be sure I'll consider it. I've not been one to claim that the XD is the be all end all, for I'd need the same data you need were i to make such claims.

Originally Posted by ninjadroid

Me and crofrog will get back to you with a structural integrity report on the XD in a week or so. Since we're poor, we won't be able to stress test XD after XD, but we'll be able to point out the flaws and the physics behind them.

Cool, I look forward to an informative and scientific report.

[pdjplano]

Originally Posted by crofrog

yes it is entertaining, you guys are the exact same "tennifer twinks" you see at glock talk only you like the XD instead. I find the hypocrisy amusing.

How is that again? I'd be careful about lumping everyone together just because they challenge your ability to construct a valid set of arguments using real data and scientific/engineering principles...

Originally Posted by crofrog

I'm not an expert never claimed to be. In fact I've have said I'm not an expert on a few different occasions. I've stated time and time again, We've used the best data avalable to us to come to the conclusions we did. Sometimes you have to work with what you got as ****ty as it may be.

You haven't studied statistics I take it? Trying to make a valid claim based on faulty data is as stupid as making faulty claims based on valid data. Your claims have little scientific or statistical principle behind them, don't be surprised if people call you on that in your life

Originally Posted by crofrog

Very few, frankly no one, has presented a resoned argument to contray. It has normally come down to ad hominem attacks against us.

My response to your postulates has been neither ad hominem nor unreasonable. Your claims are completely invalid as anything more than your OPINION. Which is fine, we all have opinions, but attempting to make claims when you are really presented opinion is not something most accept (at least in my line of work)

Originally Posted by crofrog

Like above, I've never claimed to be an "expert" on handgun engineering, yet you use this to refute the fact that there are some improperly engineered / designed peices on the gun.

No, I merely pointed out that your lack of expertise should be considered as you make statements like you did prior in an engineering piece. If you have data and/or statements from "experts" that you are just repeating, then do share their findings, as THEN your statements have merit!