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120mm · 11-19-2005, 12:12 PM

Now, say that really fast three times!

Seriously, I had my first failure to feed in my standard XD40. I use a 20# Don's rod, I had the pistol fairly dry, with CLP as the lube, the ambient temp was between 10 - 20 degrees F. I was shooting 185 grain WWB when I had a failure to feed three times in a row. The pistol has maybe 100 or so rounds through it without a problem. The slide stuck open with the next round touching the feed ramp. I merely tapped the slide forward each time, and after the first three ftf, it functioned perfectly for 20 rounds.

I'm assuming this is a temp/lube/bullet shape problem. Unless there is something else I need to look at.

I've noticed that since I installed the Don's Rod, the action cycles really slowly. Not a problem, as it does reduce recoil and muzzle flip dramatically, but was wondering if this was normal in this setup.

sjp2452 · 11-19-2005, 12:24 PM

185gr?? That's a big bullet for .40. My money would be on a bullet shape problem. Next time take an assortment of ammo with you and see if it repeats with anything else (smaller). Temp might have something to do with it...but unless CLP turns to pudding in the cold (which I doubt), then I kinda doubt temp is the culprit. These things will run just fine with no lube at all (see the thread on torture test), so any is a bonus.

Could just be one of those cases where you found ammo that your particular gun just doesn't like.

Polishing the feed ramp might be another thing to try...especially given the "tap the back of the slide" solution you had.

Just my $.02.

**hobocircus** · 11-19-2005, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sjp2452

185gr?? That's a big bullet for .40. My money would be on a bullet shape problem. Next time take an assortment of ammo with you and see if it repeats with anything else (smaller). Temp might have something to do with it...but unless CLP turns to pudding in the cold (which I doubt), then I kinda doubt temp is the culprit. These things will run just fine with no lube at all (see the thread on torture test), so any is a bonus.

Could just be one of those cases where you found ammo that your particular gun just doesn't like.

Polishing the feed ramp might be another thing to try...especially given the "tap the back of the slide" solution you had.

Just my $.02.

Couldn't have said it any better. +1

what kind of ammo were you using?

StogieC · 11-20-2005, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sjp2452

... Temp might have something to do with it...but unless CLP turns to pudding in the cold (which I doubt), then I kinda doubt temp is the culprit. These things will run just fine with no lube at all (see the thread on torture test), so any is a bonus...

CLP (Cleaner, Lubricant, Protectant) should never be used below 10 degrees F.
It can become very thick as the temp drops. Great stuff down to the freezing point but not made for the cold.

LSA (Lubricant, Semifluid, Automatic Weapon) should never be used below 0 degrees F.
This is what we always used for winter operations in all but the coldest environments.

LAW (Lubricating oil, Arctic Weapon) is only used when the temperature drops below 10 degrees F.
If it is this cold... I'm out of the military now, I dont have to go to the range.

StogieC · 11-20-2005, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjp2452

... Temp might have something to do with it...but unless CLP turns to pudding in the cold (which I doubt), then I kinda doubt temp is the culprit. These things will run just fine with no lube at all (see the thread on torture test), so any is a bonus...

CLP (Cleaner, Lubricant, Protectant) should never be used below 10 degrees F.
It can become very thick as the temp drops. Great stuff down to the freezing point but not made for the cold.

LSA (Lubricant, Semifluid, Automatic Weapon) should never be used below 0 degrees F.
This is what we always used for winter operations in all but the coldest environments.

LAW (Lubricating oil, Arctic Weapon) is only used when the temperature drops below 10 degrees F.
If it is this cold... I'm out of the military now, I dont have to go to the range.

phaetos · 11-20-2005, 01:39 PM

See what problems I had with mine today at the range...

http://www.hs2000talk.com/viewtopic.php?p=277136#277136

sjp2452 · 11-20-2005, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StogieC

CLP (Cleaner, Lubricant, Protectant) should never be used below 10 degrees F.
It can become very thick as the temp drops. Great stuff down to the freezing point but not made for the cold.

LSA (Lubricant, Semifluid, Automatic Weapon) should never be used below 0 degrees F.
This is what we always used for winter operations in all but the coldest environments.

LAW (Lubricating oil, Arctic Weapon) is only used when the temperature drops below 10 degrees F.
If it is this cold... I'm out of the military now, I dont have to go to the range.

Good info to know--thanks! Of course I could have gotten up off my lazy backside and looked at my CLP bottle before I flapped my yap...

ajamesp51 · 11-20-2005, 02:56 PM

take out the dons guide rod and try the stock assembly.

120mm · 11-20-2005, 05:33 PM

Correction: I was shooting WWB 180 grain bullets.

I'll do a better job with the lube and see how it goes next time.

InspectorNugger · 11-23-2005, 09:37 AM

I found when my XD was new, it took more than 100 rounds through the gun for everything to "settle in". After about 500 rounds, I have not had any problems with FTF/FTE. I had added a Don's guide rod and I think a 24# spring shortly after purchase. Also, I think the heavier spring is partly why your slide is cycling slower (slow is a relative term here). The heavier spring (vs. stock) provides more resistance against your slide coming backwards and slows it down faster. This contributes to why muzzle flip and recoil feels reduced as that extra resistance scrubs off energy.

Just my $0.02...

11-19-2005, 12:12 PM	#1
120mm XDTalk Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 61	First failure to feed Now, say that really fast three times! Seriously, I had my first failure to feed in my standard XD40. I use a 20# Don's rod, I had the pistol fairly dry, with CLP as the lube, the ambient temp was between 10 - 20 degrees F. I was shooting 185 grain WWB when I had a failure to feed three times in a row. The pistol has maybe 100 or so rounds through it without a problem. The slide stuck open with the next round touching the feed ramp. I merely tapped the slide forward each time, and after the first three ftf, it functioned perfectly for 20 rounds. I'm assuming this is a temp/lube/bullet shape problem. Unless there is something else I need to look at. I've noticed that since I installed the Don's Rod, the action cycles really slowly. Not a problem, as it does reduce recoil and muzzle flip dramatically, but was wondering if this was normal in this setup.

11-20-2005, 01:39 PM	#6
phaetos XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 568	See what problems I had with mine today at the range... http://www.hs2000talk.com/viewtopic.php?p=277136#277136 __________________ XD-9 Subbie 1895 Chilean Mauser 1981 Yugoslavian M59/66 SKS The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. - Sir George Bernard Shaw Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth. - George Washington

11-20-2005, 02:56 PM	#8
ajamesp51 XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Birmingham, Al Posts: 5,027	take out the dons guide rod and try the stock assembly. __________________ "God shall not have his word made manifest by cowards" RWE www.xd-hs2000.com

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11-19-2005, 12:24 PM	#2
sjp2452 XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Land 'o Lakes, MN Posts: 1,014	185gr?? That's a big bullet for .40. My money would be on a bullet shape problem. Next time take an assortment of ammo with you and see if it repeats with anything else (smaller). Temp might have something to do with it...but unless CLP turns to pudding in the cold (which I doubt), then I kinda doubt temp is the culprit. These things will run just fine with no lube at all (see the thread on torture test), so any is a bonus. Could just be one of those cases where you found ammo that your particular gun just doesn't like. Polishing the feed ramp might be another thing to try...especially given the "tap the back of the slide" solution you had. Just my $.02. __________________ ********************************* "Who was the first person to look at a cow and say, "I think I'll squeeze these dangly things here, and drink whatever comes out?"

11-20-2005, 05:33 PM	#9
120mm XDTalk Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 61	Correction: I was shooting WWB 180 grain bullets. I'll do a better job with the lube and see how it goes next time.

11-23-2005, 09:37 AM	#10
InspectorNugger XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Idaho Falls, ID Posts: 223	I found when my XD was new, it took more than 100 rounds through the gun for everything to "settle in". After about 500 rounds, I have not had any problems with FTF/FTE. I had added a Don's guide rod and I think a 24# spring shortly after purchase. Also, I think the heavier spring is partly why your slide is cycling slower (slow is a relative term here). The heavier spring (vs. stock) provides more resistance against your slide coming backwards and slows it down faster. This contributes to why muzzle flip and recoil feels reduced as that extra resistance scrubs off energy. Just my $0.02...