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BMFOTP · 07-24-2007, 09:33 AM

I have been looking for a guide rod/spring setup for an XD-45ACP Compact 4" without luck. So I decide to ask in this forum if anyone knows where I can get such a setup. Any information is appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Don · 07-30-2007, 10:32 PM

Just in case it looked like I was ignoring this, I sent him a PM days ago.

Basically what we know, the stock springs do not seem to hold the slide in battery consistently, so nothing offered yet. I think this can be solved, but I do not have the time and money to trial and error my way to this yet.

This is a good example of capitalism, develop the spring and sell them. I can do the rods, but do not have the time now to do a spring. Make the right springs and I got your back.

Tally XD · 07-31-2007, 09:09 PM

I know I am showing my ignorance here, but what is the difficulty about making the springs?

Is it the actual making them or is it difficulty finding them already made to the right spring rate?

If recoil springs are not progressive, then why cant a longer spring be cut to the right length? (maybe this is something you already tried?)

Is there no way the stock spring can be utilized on the new guide rod?

Don · 08-01-2007, 02:25 PM

The spring needs to have a minimum force at the installed length to both cock the striker and hold the slide in battery, the final force at full compression, and have a stack height just a bit shorter than the space provided, and not fatigue too fast. Cutting down springs has not worked, and making custom springs takes some time and risk, and no one has jumped in yet to do so. It can be done, it just has not been done.

**Old School** · 08-01-2007, 04:53 PM

As Don mentioned, the task is harder than just finding a spring. Since the spring is to be used in a firearm reliability is a must and the trial & error process is both long and expensive.

Some day, we all pray for springs.

OS

BMFOTP · 08-01-2007, 08:42 PM

Thanks Don for at least researching the issue and getting back to me in a timely manner. I understand that this is not an easy issue and if you ever get time to develop the parts fine and if not I am sure you have given the subject matter your utmost attention and that is more than I can ask for.

nickb · 08-14-2007, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don

Just in case it looked like I was ignoring this, I sent him a PM days ago.

Basically what we know, the stock springs do not seem to hold the slide in battery consistently, so nothing offered yet. I think this can be solved, but I do not have the time and money to trial and error my way to this yet.

This is a good example of capitalism, develop the spring and sell them. I can do the rods, but do not have the time now to do a spring. Make the right springs and I got your back.

I missed this thread when it was originally posted.

My 45c 4" has the Canyon Creek tungsten rod and whatever spring came with it. Are you saying those springs are no good?

Don · 08-14-2007, 10:14 AM

I had heard that Canyon Creek was doing more work on the springs, which may or may not be the case. If your spring works, then it is good.

I had some springs work with my prototypes, and other of the same part number not work, so it is right on the edge of being fine.

nickb · 08-14-2007, 10:30 AM

Thanks Don.

07-24-2007, 09:33 AM	#1
BMFOTP XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 309	Guide Rod/Spring Question? I have been looking for a guide rod/spring setup for an XD-45ACP Compact 4" without luck. So I decide to ask in this forum if anyone knows where I can get such a setup. Any information is appreciated. Thanks in advance.

07-30-2007, 10:32 PM	#2
Don XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Pullman, WA Posts: 4,187	Just in case it looked like I was ignoring this, I sent him a PM days ago. Basically what we know, the stock springs do not seem to hold the slide in battery consistently, so nothing offered yet. I think this can be solved, but I do not have the time and money to trial and error my way to this yet. This is a good example of capitalism, develop the spring and sell them. I can do the rods, but do not have the time now to do a spring. Make the right springs and I got your back. __________________ Don geek with guns Why don\'t you all f-f-f-fade away.... FAQ - Don\'s Guide Rod

07-31-2007, 09:09 PM	#3
Tally XD XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North Florida Posts: 1,217	I know I am showing my ignorance here, but what is the difficulty about making the springs? Is it the actual making them or is it difficulty finding them already made to the right spring rate? If recoil springs are not progressive, then why cant a longer spring be cut to the right length? (maybe this is something you already tried?) Is there no way the stock spring can be utilized on the new guide rod? __________________ You have a right to self defense! Vote *AGAINST* Obama!! ----------------------------------------- 2007 XD.45ACP Service (black) Mega "Gator" AR-15 5.56mm Remington 870 Tactical

08-01-2007, 02:25 PM	#4
Don XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Pullman, WA Posts: 4,187	The spring needs to have a minimum force at the installed length to both cock the striker and hold the slide in battery, the final force at full compression, and have a stack height just a bit shorter than the space provided, and not fatigue too fast. Cutting down springs has not worked, and making custom springs takes some time and risk, and no one has jumped in yet to do so. It can be done, it just has not been done. __________________ Don geek with guns Why don\'t you all f-f-f-fade away.... FAQ - Don\'s Guide Rod

08-01-2007, 04:53 PM	#5
Old School XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Illinois Posts: 7,583	As Don mentioned, the task is harder than just finding a spring. Since the spring is to be used in a firearm reliability is a must and the trial & error process is both long and expensive. Some day, we all pray for springs. OS __________________ Visit www.pistolgear.com for all of your XD needs!

08-01-2007, 08:42 PM	#6
BMFOTP XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 309	Guide Rod and Spring Thanks Don for at least researching the issue and getting back to me in a timely manner. I understand that this is not an easy issue and if you ever get time to develop the parts fine and if not I am sure you have given the subject matter your utmost attention and that is more than I can ask for. __________________ To extraordinary circumstances we must apply extraordinary remedies.

08-14-2007, 10:14 AM	#8
Don XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Pullman, WA Posts: 4,187	I had heard that Canyon Creek was doing more work on the springs, which may or may not be the case. If your spring works, then it is good. I had some springs work with my prototypes, and other of the same part number not work, so it is right on the edge of being fine. __________________ Don geek with guns Why don\'t you all f-f-f-fade away.... FAQ - Don\'s Guide Rod

08-14-2007, 10:30 AM	#9
nickb XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 2,189	Thanks Don. __________________ No PM sent..... But the average human can travel 21 feet in just about one second.

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