When this goes, so will Conceal carry (in all states) - what you think?

[mkett39]

OK, social ownership? Obama did not take over banks...he could have. He bailed out the automakers who have now paid it back and the stock is in public hands, not govt hands. Sorry, that's not what's happening at all, nor is it something Obama is supporting. Just the opposite actually. as quoted by prof-fate.

Better think again!

[cjacob]

until the american people can get over their religious beliefs and accept gays, this country will always have political problems with it. If you think a Democrat will magically change this country for the better for gays and women, you're mistaken. They are content to leave it alone, they know the majority of americans don't support gay marriage, and thats the main problem. I am very conservative, but I don't give a crap about who you marry. I vote based on what is best for me, I work my butt off, I pay taxes and I own guns, no democrat will ever be the better choice for me. I'm sorry to my friends and the americans who are gay, but until the entire country changes their opinion, it's stupid to vote based on it.

[prof_fate]

Originally Posted by cjacob

you only get in trouble for not having car insurence, if you drive. there is a huge difference. Me not having health insurence can't hurt you, but me not having car insurence, could easily hurt you. It's apples and oranges. Plus cars are cheaper than medical bills. Fining people for not having health insurence, won't make it easier for them to afford it. The other issue is the fact that he used the healthcare bill to pass a lot of crap most people don't even know about. It's dirty. A man like Obama will be very dangerous without the concern of being reelected. You say if you don't like the country then get out, well I say that to people like you and every Obama lover who wants to change it, get the hell out of my country.

Nope. You can opt not to drive. You can't opt not to use the health care system- at some point you'll see a doctor, go the ER, etc. And that's not free. But if you don't have insurance who pays? Perhaps you...but just as often that's not the case. So those costs are spread out among those that do have insurance and pay.

And there is a fine for not having car insurance - and if you get hit with that fine you get nothing for it. The concept behind a no-healthcare fine is that money will be applied to getting you healthcare, so you will get something for your money.

More people voted for obama than anyone else - so you are in the minority so no, you have to leave if you dont' like it. Oh wait, what you're really saying is an Obama led US us still better than any other country on earth.

As for the add-ons to the healthcare bill...blame obama (everyone is blaming him for everything anyway, at least his black half) but congress and lobbyists and the like are the real problem IMO. They tack stuff on to every bill every time. That should be stopped, but those that do it are also the ones that make the rules - we've left the foxes in charge of the hen house an then complain when a hen gets eaten.

[spiderjohn]

Originally Posted by jprieto

trust me, vote gop
if he makes statement on gun laws
liberal meda will eat him alive

vote obama if conceal carry is no big deal for you

thanks

I get uneasy when someone pushing politics says "trust me".

[spiderjohn]

Originally Posted by cjacob

you only get in trouble for not having car insurence, if you drive. there is a huge difference. Me not having health insurence can't hurt you, but me not having car insurence, could easily hurt you. It's apples and oranges. Plus cars are cheaper than medical bills. Fining people for not having health insurence, won't make it easier for them to afford it. The other issue is the fact that he used the healthcare bill to pass a lot of crap most people don't even know about. It's dirty. A man like Obama will be very dangerous without the concern of being reelected. You say if you don't like the country then get out, well I say that to people like you and every Obama lover who wants to change it, get the hell out of my country.

It hurts me when you have to get medical treatment, can't pay for it, and I have to pick up the bill. Not saying I like obamacare but those costs get passed on to someone..

[Vhyrus]

Originally Posted by cjacob

until the american people can get over their religious beliefs and accept gays, this country will always have political problems with it. If you think a Democrat will magically change this country for the better for gays and women, you're mistaken. They are content to leave it alone, they know the majority of americans don't support gay marriage, and thats the main problem. I am very conservative, but I don't give a crap about who you marry. I vote based on what is best for me, I work my butt off, I pay taxes and I own guns, no democrat will ever be the better choice for me. I'm sorry to my friends and the americans who are gay, but until the entire country changes their opinion, it's stupid to vote based on it.

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

[prof_fate]

Originally Posted by mkett39

as quoted by prof-fate.

Better think again!

Sorry, I remember this in the news in 2010...General Motors Is Going Public | Autopia | Wired.com and didn't keep up on the fact they didn't do it.

[cjacob]

Originally Posted by prof_fate

Nope. You can opt not to drive. You can't opt not to use the health care system- at some point you'll see a doctor, go the ER, etc. And that's not free. But if you don't have insurance who pays? Perhaps you...but just as often that's not the case. So those costs are spread out among those that do have insurance and pay.

And there is a fine for not having car insurance - and if you get hit with that fine you get nothing for it. The concept behind a no-healthcare fine is that money will be applied to getting you healthcare, so you will get something for your money.

More people voted for obama than anyone else - so you are in the minority so no, you have to leave if you dont' like it. Oh wait, what you're really saying is an Obama led US us still better than any other country on earth.

As for the add-ons to the healthcare bill...blame obama (everyone is blaming him for everything anyway, at least his black half) but congress and lobbyists and the like are the real problem IMO. They tack stuff on to every bill every time. That should be stopped, but those that do it are also the ones that make the rules - we've left the foxes in charge of the hen house an then complain when a hen gets eaten.

last time I checked, I got billed when I went to the hospitol without health insurence, and I had to pay it out of my pocket. If you think we don't have to pay for the people driving around without car insurence, then you're an idiot. I think that everyone who voted for Obama that wanted change, should get out. We're in the trouble we're in because of a democrat, and a democrat is making it worse. You twist everything around, but those who wanted to change American from what it had been, should be th eones leaving, if you want us to be like another country, go o that country. I want us to stay the way we had been before Obama, or better yet, go back to before FDR and get rid of all social programs

[BUZ124]

Originally Posted by WarLord

... rick santorum.... hes a 2A supporter

True, but he cant figure out a way to keep his foot out of his mouth

Dems will continue to spew lies, it dont matter what the facts are, they will go to every extreme that they can to try to protect someone that is constantly taking away their rights, how dumb is that?

They will do everything they can to try to divert attention from the burdens that Obummer aka Liar In Chief has done to this country

Romney is not another Obama and they know it

[jprieto]

RELIGION and GUN RIGHTS are the two things to be first banned in socialist and communists countries.

It is the religious people who support gun ownership, so if you ban religion then gun owners will lose their main supporters.

The apostle Peter spent 3 years with Christ, and when the Romans came to arrest Christ, Peter pulled out his sword and cut off the ear of the guard.

Had Christ been against weapons for self-defense then Peter would NOT have been carrying his weapon.

That is why this thread is ONLY about supporting FREEDOM OF RELIGION so that FREEDOM TO BEAR ARMS can be also protected.

This is not about uniting church and state.

IT is only about protecting personal freedom .... to worship and to protect

ANY comment not favoring me in this thread is a reflection of a support of opposing forces of FREEDOM.

Bottom line: just vote GOP ..... at least this one time -- please!
Do it for your XDM, do it for the future of your kids, do it as a favor to humanity.

Love to you all .... even to those with offending replies

please do not get side-tracked

is about removing an anti-American president
to preserve the right to worship and to protect