When this goes, so will Conceal carry (in all states) - what you think?

[WarLord]

two words... rick santorum.... hes a 2A supporter

[prof_fate]

Originally Posted by cjacob

technically, Americans did not "enslave" them, Europeans and their own people did that. Americans just kept the system for a while, but did indeed abolish it.

OK, "amercans' didn't exist in the 1600s as we would define them today. Picky picky - we were the europeans that enlaved them. Perhaps we didn't capture them (or most of them) but we bought them, used them. England freed their slave3 30 some years before we did and without a war.

My problem is that they act like they are the only people who had to endure crap in their history, when in fact, they had it pretty easy compared to some.

I don't see nearly the 'attitude' I did even 10 years ago, let alone 30 about this. Things are improving. One issue that I think affects us all is that the majority of those in jails in the US are black males - way beyond thier representation in the population. Is it a chicken or egg thing? Are 75% of black men under 25 really criminals? If so, why? Or is there a stereotype that it is so - the zimmerman/martin shooting is a perfect example, not allowing kids to wear hoodies is another IMO. I worked with a black guy at a car dealership in the 90s. He cold have driven a lincoln or caddy demo but chose a tracer or used car because he got tired of being pulled over nearly every week when he drove the luxury car. Guy was on the 1980 US olympic team, made $100k a year then, worked 80 some hours a week, had a wife and 4 kids, owned a home...

prof, I really hope you're not pro Obama, because that really would be anti American, you don't really clarify your position, but you do bash Romney, I would really hate to think that you'd vote for Obama if Romney gets the nomination. When it comes to politics you have to vote for the lesser of the two evils, and that is almost always Republicans, especially now. You have a lot more to worry about than your gun freedom if you keep Obama, like your ACTUAL freedom.

I've been voting since 1980. I think, I evaluate and really hate it when people say 'the lesser of two evils' as it really is a sad commentary on the American system (if it sucks you're free to leave...but this AFAIK is still the one country in the world everyone wants to come to, well I hear Germany has a lot of immigrants too).

Anyway, what do YOU want the future to be? And who's most likley to give you that, or move us in the direction? Whats important to YOU?

That changes over time of course. What I needed/wanted in 1984 is very different than what I want now in many ways, and the same in many ways. Gas was too expensive then and still is today. We have no energy policy (do we really need one or are we being told we need one?) Do we need health care for everyone? If so, how do we pay for it? (It's rationed now BTW - if you can't pay you don't get it, so only the rich get it, and the richer you are the better care you get).

Is education something we value and should support? Does an educated population mean a better country (smarter people, better inventions, better jobs, etc) or is it just a waste of money?

My issue is who died and made us the world's keepers? Sure, N Korea is a possible danger, but when did we take over space and all the air on earth to say they can't launch a rocket to space? I guess you shouldn't go to the gun range cause you might be practicing to shoot a congressman or something...makes about as much sense IMO. If the russians took 10 years to take Afganistan and we did it in 30 days, Iraq had what, the 3rd or 4th largest army in the world and the lasted 2 weeks I don't think N Korea is really much of a threat - if wanted to stop them we'd do it in 2 or 3 weeks.

We don't want 'big government' in our homes, holsters or pockets - and we get to vote for who is in charge. Yet we go into afganistan, iraq, n korea and god knows where else and those folks do not get to vote for it...and no, 'in their best interest' is BS like no other - lets take away your guns 'because it's in your best interest' - you might shoot your eye out. BS!

Who do you trust? I do not trust romney. He says one thing and does another...and is on every side of every issue. You have no idea what you're gonna get.
Is obama perfect? I doubt it - you have to do a lot of sleazy things to be in politics (just go be on the board of your local baseball or soccer organization and let me know how that works out OK? No big money, no lives, no big deal yet I doubt you can do it without shading the truth and havng the opinion you know best)

I love my guns, but I would give them up to prevent socialism, because I love my country more

I love my country too. I don't like our tax money benefiting muslims on the other side the world that hate us and want to kill us. Yet we're spending billions in aid and building schools and all sorts of stuff over there with your money, my money. You can give all your lunch money to the school bully or feed that mean dog the best steak - they will not love you anymore in a week or a year. You'll still get beat up and bit just the same so quit wasting the time and money on it.

Socialism? Really? Been watching Fox again have you?

Socialism /ˈsoʊʃəlɪzəm/ is an economic system characterised by social ownership and control of the means of production and cooperative management of the economy,[1] and a political philosophy advocating such a system. "Social ownership" may refer to any one of, or a combination of, the following: cooperative enterprises, common ownership, direct public ownership or autonomous state enterprises.[2]

OK, social ownership? Obama did not take over banks...he could have. He bailed out the automakers who have now paid it back and the stock is in public hands, not govt hands. Sorry, that's not what's happening at all, nor is it something Obama is supporting. Just the opposite actually.

Take healthcare - he's not making national healthcare....didn't even try as I recall. No, you buy healthcare or you'll pay a fine and be assigned a health care company. Car insurance works that way in most every state...yet nobody every called that socialism.

[js12278]

Originally Posted by prof_fate

OK, "amercans' didn't exist in the 1600s as we would define them today. Picky picky - we were the europeans that enlaved them. Perhaps we didn't capture them (or most of them) but we bought them, used them. England freed their slave3 30 some years before we did and without a war.

What is this "WE" stuff you speak of?? I am pretty sure anyone that had anything to do with what you speak of is dead and gone... bill paid, let's move society forward. If you want to ride on you ideas, speak for yourself. I can name plenty more people that would agree with me than would agree with you ..."WE" just doesn't work anymore, so please...leave ME out of it.

[gsc11]

Prof...

Wow.... Remove the tin foil before using the microwave.

[ArmyGuy45]

Originally Posted by WarLord

two words... rick santorum.... hes a 2A supporter

Religious nutjob!

[Vhyrus]

There is a concept called 'Separation of church and state'. You may want to plug that one into google sometime today.

There are constitutional supporters who are not religious and don't want religion in their government, and for very good reason. Religious governments like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Israel (for the record I am a firm supporter of Israel), and others have poor human rights records and a history of unnecessary religious based conflict. The founders understood and incorporated religious separation because they understood that without it there would never be true equality. Electing a religious zealot to the highest level of government flies in the face of everything the founders believed.

The current round of conservative candidates has put me in a severely compromised position. The primary system in general is completely broken. Under our current system, only registered republicans can elect the nominee. This leaves out everyone who did not put down 'REPUBLICAN' on their registration card. What about the disenfranchised democrats who no longer support Obama? What about the Libertarians and Constitutionalists or hell even Green Party supporters? Right now I am completely disenfranchised from the political system because I lean mainly Libertarian.
my choice is either vote Obama and risk losing my guns and getting raped in taxes, or voting for an absolute nutcase like Santorum so he can butcher gays and women's rights. Gingrich is the only person I would be comfortable voting for, and he won't make it on the ticket because he's not running for the ultra conservative vote that would get him the primary... hes actually TELLING THE TRUTH! There's a reason that the media constantly slams Gingrich above all the others: he is the only one that would have a hope of taking the win from Obama. If Romney or (god forbid) Santorum makes the ticket I would either simply not vote or probably vote Obama since he scares me less than those two, and I have NEVER seriously considered a Democratic candidate on any level in any election.

At my college we have an old man that sits on the lawn in front of the student union building with a sign saying 'YOU DESERVE HELL' and he sits there all day with a megaphone telling the kids who pass by how damned they are. I have never seen an atheist sit outside a church with a sign saying 'YOU ARE RETARDED' yelling at passersby about the illogical and childish belief in a divine being. I have never been woken up at 8 am on a Saturday by an Atheist passing out pamphlets and saying "Hi! Would you be interested in renouncing your belief in Jesus Christ and endorsing scientific evidence and free thinking?"

I have never read a history book detailing the widespread and systematic enslavement of white Europeans in their home country to be shipped off to Africa and sold as slaves over hundreds of years. I have never read of a white freedom fighter who was imprisoned for 3 decades and managed to become president of his home country in order to end the racial inequalities caused by a black ruling minority.

Who really hates who?

[prof_fate]

Vhyrus - I agree.

I voted reagan, reagan, bush 1, bush 1 (lost), clinton, bush 2, nobody that mattered, obama (couldn't do the republican thing again and palin? get real.).
I was republican, then libertarian then republican then democrat - i really hated bush 2.
I was hoping for something good this time around...romney? no way. Santorum? again, no thanks (i'm from PA...) Gingrich is my choice of what there is to choose from.

It's a lot like buying gas - I don't like any of the choices - $4/gallon or walk...

[cjacob]

you only get in trouble for not having car insurence, if you drive. there is a huge difference. Me not having health insurence can't hurt you, but me not having car insurence, could easily hurt you. It's apples and oranges. Plus cars are cheaper than medical bills. Fining people for not having health insurence, won't make it easier for them to afford it. The other issue is the fact that he used the healthcare bill to pass a lot of crap most people don't even know about. It's dirty. A man like Obama will be very dangerous without the concern of being reelected. You say if you don't like the country then get out, well I say that to people like you and every Obama lover who wants to change it, get the hell out of my country.

[cjacob]

Originally Posted by prof_fate

Vhyrus - I agree.

I voted reagan, reagan, bush 1, bush 1 (lost), clinton, bush 2, nobody that mattered, obama (couldn't do the republican thing again and palin? get real.).
I was republican, then libertarian then republican then democrat - i really hated bush 2.
I was hoping for something good this time around...romney? no way. Santorum? again, no thanks (i'm from PA...) Gingrich is my choice of what there is to choose from.

It's a lot like buying gas - I don't like any of the choices - $4/gallon or walk...

I wish it would be Newt, I think he's the best choice, but it's not going to happen. Either way, I'd rather get Obama out and have someone else no matter how bad they are, than allow the damage Obama can do with the second term. Then if it comes down to it, get the next guy out before he gets the "free range term". Why the hell would Palin matter? the VP is useless, the only thing a VP really does is run NASA. Besides Biden it ****, and if any vp had a chance to become president, it was him.

[jprieto]

a church that turns certain people away is NOT a bible based church
The bible says love your neighbors
it does NOT say love your neighbor if they are not gay

so my statement stands
we are all created equal
and we are to love one another
and defend ourselves against those who do NOT see it that way