CCW for "green card holders"

[fat_frog]

Originally Posted by SawFish

...What we are barred from is getting a permit to carry.

Not in PA.

[SawFish]

Originally Posted by Clinton1621

Did you verify that with the agency in your state that issues CCW's?? I think the legality of it varies from state to state... just like it does for citizens... too bad there isnt some law that says "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" ya know

I know of one person that was told that they could not be issued a CCW because of the way the state statue is written.
"The right of citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and of the state shall not be denied."
But I have not personally contacted the office of the Attorney General to confirm this though. I will call tomorrow, and post what they tell me.

[bigfoots]

oh please... im not going to get into ridiculous hypotheticals with you or anyone..I was asked for my opinion and you got it.
if you don't like the law go change the law. I don't write the laws and don't even agree with quite a few of them, But I'm guessing you will need to become a citizen to be elected to office.. so your really back to square one. my advice would be to get your citizenship and quit your crying..
govt is barely trusting enough to let people who ARE citizens have ccw..

Originally Posted by SawFish

According to people like Bigfoots...No you do not have the right to protect yourself or your family (until you become a citizen). You are also not allowed to rescue a drowning child.

You might think I'm joking but it's true. I took the lifeguard test in California and passed it. Soon after that I found out that you need to be a natural born citizen to be employed as a lifeguard. So even if you do become a citizen you are considered a Naturalized citizen and therefore not a "real" citizen.

Where does it stop?!
I have a hypothetical question for Bigfoots:
If my daughter is brutalized and raped. Should I shake it off and say, "I can't stop this right now because I'm not a U.S. citizen, carry on guys."

[Stogies]

It surprises me at times that the people that seem the most adamant about immigrants being supposed to jump thru all sorts of hoops and not having rights are mostly people that were simply born here - and consequently never had to do anything at all themselves.

[bigfoots]

Just out of curiosity...How is the local sheriffs office supposed to do a background check on someone who lived in mexico? Hell, we can not even get all of the 50 states to agree on the ccw laws, so again...my advice is to play the game and get your citizenship.
is there something stopping you from getting this? seems like the most direct way of solving your dilemma...I know posting on here isn't gonna get you a ccw..

[JayDay]

First of all, welcome to America and thank you for doing your part in making it a better place. Secondly, I'm glad you were able to purchase a firearm to protect yourself and family. Concealed carry in Texas has been around since 1994 I think and the laws have been changing every since. With a national reciprocity law now on the table, it's safe to say that soon all state laws will be changing and hopefully afford you the right to carry concealed. The more law-abiding, responsible gun owners that are allowed to carry concealed, the better our society is IMHO....regardless of where you were born. I can understand your frustration and can only say, be patient, keep doing what you're doing, and don't let idiots (here or otherwise) get you down.

[SawFish]

Just out of curiosity...How is the local sheriffs office supposed to do a background check on someone who lived in mexico?

There not, the Feds already do that. My Federal background check to obtain a green card took a little over 3 years because they check all countries to make sure you are not part of a terrorist organization or a fugitive from another country. My Employment background check took a little under two weeks, and the background check to purchase a firearm took about three days.

Hell, we can not even get all of the 50 states to agree on the ccw laws, so again...my advice is to play the game and get your citizenship.
is there something stopping you from getting this? seems like the most direct way of solving your dilemma

There is two things stopping me from becoming a citizen right now 2 more years on the five year wait and around $15,000.00. I have a pretty good immigration attorney from California but her fees alone are $10,000.00. When you pay for school yourself this kind of money is impossible to raise in two years.

If you go to Mexico and want to become a citizen their. You can walk into the immigration office pay for a test that takes about 20 minutes to take, and costs about 30 dollars. Two weeks later you are a Mexican citizen. I have seen a lot of Americans do this. Mostly the older retired ones that live in place like Satelite, Polanco, Zona Rosa, These are all known as American places; because there is more White Americans than Mexicans. Guess what we don't mind them one bit. We are very proud to have them their. If they choose to become Mexican Citizens they inherit all of the rights and privileges as a citizen of that country if not more. Mexican Police are trained to mess with Mexicans and they are openly told that if they pull over a White American committing a crime to just let them go (unless there carrying metric tons of heroin, then they have to call InterPol [International Police]), but for little stuff you will most likely not be fined or imprisoned or really bothered for that matter.

...I know posting on here isn't gonna get you a ccw..

I do not want to break any laws, so if they tell me I can't have it then I can't have it. I will play the waiting game.

[bigfoots]

well it sounds like you have 2 choices.. get your citizenship or move to a different state.
I was looking at the gun laws in mexico...
man...would suck to get a gun infraction there. you could end up in prison for 12 years..
not to mention they only let you have small caliber guns and there is only 1 gun manufacturer in the whole country etc etc..
so I'd say even though you dont yet have your ccw permit you still have it better than if you were still in mexico.
so its not all bad.
hang in there and good luck to you.

Originally Posted by SawFish

There not, the Feds already do that. My Federal background check to obtain a green card took a little over 3 years because they check all countries to make sure you are not part of a terrorist organization or a fugitive from another country. My Employment background check took a little under two weeks, and the background check to purchase a firearm took about three days.

There is two things stopping me from becoming a citizen right now 2 more years on the five year wait and around $15,000.00. I have a pretty good immigration attorney from California but her fees alone are $10,000.00. When you pay for school yourself this kind of money is impossible to raise in two years.

If you go to Mexico and want to become a citizen their. You can walk into the immigration office pay for a test that takes about 20 minutes to take, and costs about 30 dollars. Two weeks later you are a Mexican citizen. I have seen a lot of Americans do this. Mostly the older retired ones that live in place like Satelite, Polanco, Zona Rosa, These are all known as American places; because there is more White Americans than Mexicans. Guess what we don't mind them one bit. We are very proud to have them their. If they choose to become Mexican Citizens they inherit all of the rights and privileges as a citizen of that country if not more. Mexican Police are trained to mess with Mexicans and they are openly told that if they pull over a White American committing a crime to just let them go (unless there carrying metric tons of heroin, then they have to call InterPol [International Police]), but for little stuff you will most likely not be fined or imprisoned or really bothered for that matter.

I do not want to break any laws, so if they tell me I can't have it then I can't have it. I will play the waiting game.

[SawFish]

Just got off the phone with the Attorney General's Division Of Criminal Investigations office.
They are the Concealed Firearms Permits authority in Wyoming.

I was told that the Wyoming Statute reads "Must be a permanent resident of the United States" ergo a person with a green card (permanent resident card) can obtain a Concealed Firearms Permit. I was also told that thanks to the constitutional carry law I can legally carry concealed without a permit as long as I meet the requirements, Over 21, Resident of Wyoming for more than 90 days, no felonies... I was also informed that I need to have a hunter safety certificate before I apply for it. But all in all the answer was YES a person with a green card can obtain a Concealed Firearms Permit in Wyoming. I was also told since the card expires in five years and I only have a couple years until I get full citizenship I am obligated to notify them of the change in status so they can update the permit with that information.

[bigfoots]

there you go.
the hunter safety course is a good idea since your new to guns anyway.
i took that hunter safety back when i was like 13 if i remember correctly.
Then a few weeks ago i took a handgun class.
I've been hunting since I was 9 years old so guns are nothing new to me.. anyway. good job and take care -

Originally Posted by SawFish

Just got off the phone with the Attorney General's Division Of Criminal Investigations office.
They are the Concealed Firearms Permits authority in Wyoming.

I was told that the Wyoming Statute reads "Must be a permanent resident of the United States" ergo a person with a green card (permanent resident card) can obtain a Concealed Firearms Permit. I was also told that thanks to the constitutional carry law I can legally carry concealed without a permit as long as I meet the requirements, Over 21, Resident of Wyoming for more than 90 days, no felonies... I was also informed that I need to have a hunter safety certificate before I apply for it. But all in all the answer was YES a person with a green card can obtain a Concealed Firearms Permit in Wyoming. I was also told since the card expires in five years and I only have a couple years until I get full citizenship I am obligated to notify them of the change in status so they can update the permit with that information.