XD Talk

**agalindo** · 07-15-2010, 01:50 PM

I'd like to know where XD9inerSub is getting his data. Where does the .0000004 come from, where does the " 208 cases" come from where are the numbers regarding ND of loaded weapons carried?
Saying you don't carry with a round in the chamber because chances are you won't need to fire a round is like saying "I'll carry a plastic pistol because chances are I won't need to use it" or "Why carry a gun? You'll never need it.".
While chances are very slim it does happen. People still win the lottery, people still shoot people in self defense.

Cuda66 · 07-15-2010, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by XD9inerSub

I didn't know gunfights and car accidents were similiar. I'm guessing it is easier to rack a slide than put on a seat belt when a two ton vehicle has just broadsided you at 50mph. Im wondering why no one has mentioned the fact than an unloaded gun will scare the pants off of an attacker as much as a loaded gun will. I don't know too many people that will continue their assault when they are staring down a barrel? The BG doesn't know if the gun is loaded or not.

If you think just pulling a gun is going to be enough to prevail in a gunfight--I do not think there is a term to describe who naive that view is. Even "Pollyanna" doesn't do it justice.

Second--try this sometime. Holster your unchambered weapon, and have a friend stand 7 yards to the side, and slightly behind you while you face a target. Have a third friend say "go"...friend 2 will run at you as fast as they can. If they can touch you before you can draw from concelament, get a round chambered & fired into the "A", you owe them $50; if you can get a round off into the "A" before he touches you, he pays you $50.

I've played this game a few times; and while I am not fast, I'd much rather be the runner...because, with one exception, I've never seen the shooter win--and those were all with a chambered round.

That is, if you can take some time away from your remedial geography studies.

Ed Ely · 07-15-2010, 02:31 PM

Thinned some posts in this thread
which were not on subject.

Ed

gsh341 · 07-15-2010, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by XD9inerSub

The difference between a citizen and police officer is that their profession is to handle guns and deal with criminals. Saying both of your reasons are the same holds no water. And the number is still 208 because we are not talking about police. Even with the added 350, the number is still miniscule. Playing G.I. Joe in your backyard is a lot different than assuming the responsibility of a LEO. Anyone who says that carrying a weapon doesn't embolden them is a flat out liar. It makes you stick out from the crowd and a lot more attention is placed on you. And you probably handled a loaded gun different from an unloaded one because ONE IS LOADED. No gun owner really treats all guns like they are loaded at all times, thats another lie.

After 21 years of military service and a tour in Iraq, I'm pretty sure that know how to handle guns. After all, it WAS my profession.

The whole time I was in Iraq I was armed and anywhere outside the wire I had a round in the chamber. Not once did I have a negligent discharge. Why? Because I treat EVERY gun as if its loaded.

As for carrying, I take it very seriously. I do not show off or brandish my guns. If I draw it from the holster it is to unload it for cleaning or storage or because I'm going to shoot it.

I pray that the only time I ever shoot it is at the range, but I'm ready to shoot it to defend myself, my family and others if a deadly threat arises.

TahoeMac · 07-15-2010, 02:38 PM

Sheep...

gsh341 · 07-15-2010, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by agalindo

I like to know where XD9inerSub is getting his data. Where does the .0000004 come from, where does the " 208 cases" come from where are the numbers regarding ND of loaded weapons carried?
Saying you don't carry with a round in the chamber because chances are you won't need to fire a round is like saying "I'll carry a plastic pistol because chances are I won't need to use it" or "Why carry a gun? You'll never need it.".
While chances are very slim it does happen. People still win the lottery, people still shoot people in self defense.

I found the 208 justifiable homicides data here. Bottom of page 3.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus02.pdf

I have no idea where he found the rest of his info.

Cuda66 · 07-15-2010, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by gsh341

I found the 208 justifiable homicides data here. Bottom of page 3.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus02.pdf

I have no idea where he found the rest of his info.

Willing to bet it's from the same place where 98% of all statistics are from...

As for the 208, though--that'd just be 208 people that died from their wounds in a justifiable shooting...how many more were wounded, but stopped their attacks?

gsh341 · 07-15-2010, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cuda66

Willing to bet it's from the same place where 98% of all statistics are from...

As for the 208, though--that'd just be 208 people that died from their wounds in a justifiable shooting...how many more were wounded, but stopped their attacks?

And how many took off when they saw the intended victim was armed and never got shot?

Gary Kleck has the answer for you. About 2,000,000 annual defensive gun uses per year.

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense?

bashman · 07-15-2010, 10:34 PM

Awful quiet in here since the trash got taken out.

Oh, and the 226 is sitting here beside me, loaded as God and the Swiss intended.

Tpop9 · 07-16-2010, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bashman

Awful quiet in here since the trash got taken out.

Oh, and the 226 is sitting here beside me, loaded as God and the Swiss intended.

I know, it was an 'intriguing' read, and like some the only times my weapon is not in "condition 0", is when it's being transported in a locked case to a gunsmith, but if it's on my side or in my car holster, there is a round in the chamber (condition 0).