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CCW suit file in Hawaii

This is a discussion on CCW suit file in Hawaii within the CCW and Open Carry Talk forums, part of the Use and Training category; FYI: CCW lawsuit just filed in U.S. Federal District Court Hawaii. See news release below: The non-profit Hawaii Defense Foundation president Christopher Baker has filed ...

Old 08-26-2011, 03:43 PM   #1
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CCW suit file in Hawaii

FYI: CCW lawsuit just filed in U.S. Federal District Court Hawaii. See news release below:

The non-profit Hawaii Defense Foundation president Christopher Baker has filed a lawsuit against the Honolulu Chief of Police Louis Kealoha, the Honolulu Police Department and the City & County of Honolulu as well as the State of Hawaii and Gov. Neil Abercrombie for violating the Second and Fourteenth Amendments of the United States Constitution.
The complaint, which was filed in Hawaii's U.S. District Court by attorneys Richard Holcomb, Alan Beck and Kevin O’Grady, argues that Hawaii’s license to carry firearms statute as well as Hawaii's other firearm regulations, are unconstitutional.
Michelle Yu, spokesperson for the Honolulu Police Department, said the chief has no comment on the lawsuit.
Hawaii has some of the most restrictive gun policies in the country.
Hawaii is a "may issue" rather than "shall issue" state, which means that police chiefs that provide concealed and open carry firearms permits may issue them at will. This is different that shall issue states, where the government must provide concealed carry permits so long as the applicant passes all background checks and has no history of mental illness.
A total of 49 states have a concealed carry law with Illinois being the exception. Illinois has banned carrying of all concealed weapons including guns and knives. Wisconsin changed its law in July 2011 to allow concealed carry.
Baker said licenses to carry in Hawaii are only issued in “exceptional circumstance” or “where a need or urgency has been sufficiently indicated."
This language violates the Second Amendment, which secures the right of all responsible, law-abiding citizens to bear arms for the purpose of self-defense, he said.
The lawsuit also claims that the state's bad on non-lethal tools for self-defense such as electric guns is a violation of civil rights.
“The Second Amendment protects the right to self-defense. Everyday around the islands good people are robbed, assaulted, raped, or in the worst cases murdered. It’s simply a matter of physics, the Police can’t be everywhere to stop criminals from committing violent acts. We must be allowed to carry the tools that give us a chance to protect ourselves from harm,” Baker said. “We want criminals to have to think about the consequences of attacking someone,” he continued, “but right now, nothing serves as a deterrent to them - the odds are in their favor.”
The foundation, which was established as a mechanism to defend civil rights and offer educational courses on firearm safety, self-defense training, and life saving techniques, has launched a fundraising effort to support the litigation.
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Old 08-26-2011, 05:01 PM   #2
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Lets hope this changes HI. It's nice to see the 2A movement really coming around. More and more people are realizing that the 2A is a good thing!
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issued in “exceptional circumstance”

this means if you have enought money yous get da permit
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maybe if HI gets it IL will too

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HI is better than IL - it has a permit system. Oh, but it's so MAY issue that the number of permits issued can be counted on your fingers.
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