Play in Tactical Buttstock Sucks - XDTalk Forums - Your HS2000/SA-XD Information Source!

gametracker08 · 11-10-2008, 03:17 PM

My tapco-style telescoping tactical buttstock has a lot of play in between the spring-loaded locking pin and the holes put the locking pin into to select the length.

Sorry if that was confusing.

Is there any kind of mod that will tighten up or eliminate this play? I like a 'solid-feeling' peice and this is the only part of my gun that makes if feel like a P.O.S.

thehinge · 11-10-2008, 03:23 PM

If you can afford it: get an VTOR, Magpul, or LMT SOPMOD and you shall be happy with no slop and possibly a strikeplate or some storage onboard!

There are creative ways to 'rig' a conventional collapsible... I 'shimmed' one on an old aluminum 4-pos with a little industrial velcro on the rcvr extension tube and it worked fine on a pure-plinker .22lr AR.

ThumperMX113 · 11-10-2008, 04:13 PM

How much play are you talking about? Are you talking about when it's locked and it'll back and forward slightly? If so, my CTR does it ...

gametracker08 · 11-10-2008, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ThumperMX113

How much play are you talking about? Are you talking about when it's locked and it'll back and forward slightly? If so, my CTR does it ...

Yes exactly. When locked in position there is a back and forth shimmy. Annoying!

I may have to get a magpul. Thanks guys

gametracker08 · 11-10-2008, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by thehinge

If you can afford it: get an VTOR, Magpul, or LMT SOPMOD and you shall be happy with no slop and possibly a strikeplate or some storage onboard!

There are creative ways to 'rig' a conventional collapsible... I 'shimmed' one on an old aluminum 4-pos with a little industrial velcro on the rcvr extension tube and it worked fine on a pure-plinker .22lr AR.

Interesting.....

May be what I need to keep this stock operational. Thanks again

INSTIGATOR · 11-10-2008, 04:42 PM

I was able to fondle a Magpul CTR at a gun show..no play what so ever. I have a Tapco as well. I'll have it till tomm when my new CTR arrives

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ThumperMX113 · 11-10-2008, 04:46 PM

My Magpul CTR has a little play in it. It's not much but it's there. I wouldn't not use it because of the amount of play it's got though.

Wild Rice · 11-10-2008, 05:27 PM

I agree that slider play is annoying and cheap feeling. There has to be some amount of play so the thing will still slide when packed with sand or mud. There is the unlikely possibility that you have a commercial slider on a mil-spec tube. At gun shows, I have seen the reverse, a mil-spec slider jammed tight on a commercial tube, and this was actually a deal breaker on an AR-57 build I was considering.

I upgraded the loose commercial slider on my Rock River Arms LAR-15 to a Magpul CTR (commercial size, $92), using the original RRA commercial tube (i.e. it was very easy to install). The CTR has a release/adjustment lever, and also a locking lever to tighten the play. Pressing the release/adjustment lever automatically disengages the locking lever. Even without the locking lever, the play was reduced 75%. With the locking lever it is reduced 90%. The play does not go away completely, but enough for the rifle to feel more solid, more substantial, and not feel as cheap.

The Magpul CTR comes in mil-spec and commerial versions. You did not state the brand of your AR, so I cannot tell you which type you need. The mil-spec tube is smaller in diameter along the slider portion which is slightly less than the diameter of the threaded portion, with a square butt end. The commercial tube has a 5 degree slant on the butt end with the threaded portion the same diameter as the slider portion.

Patrick Sweeney finds fault with collapsing stocks. He says that in a panic situation, a shooter could fire a carbine with the stock fully retracted. The recoil could cause injury to the shooter as the rear sight or scope bashes the shooter in the face or eye. He recommends blocking or taping the tube so the front most position cannot be used. I doubt most people do that as they like the compact storage option. However, it would make sense not to routinely keep the stock fully retracted.

There may be other better fitting slider replacements, so I don't know if the CTR is the best one or best value. It works and I am satisfied with it. It is a vast improvement.

thehinge · 11-10-2008, 07:52 PM

The 'front-most position' issue is addressed with the VLTOR E-Mod. Fully collapsed it is the same length as the original Modstock is pulled open 1 notch from fully closed, even has a strikeplate & nonslip ribber base. The VLTOR is milspec only and available alone or as a complete kit, has no to very little play in it. I'll add that I've used original model + clubfoot short carbine Modstocks fully closed and never managed to injure myself, still like the original for tight spaces.

A friend of mine has my old 4-pos aluminum stock, with fuzzy side of the velcro still intact on the sides of the tube and reasonably rattle-free for $4.

ThumperMX113 · 11-10-2008, 08:23 PM

Wild Rice. How much play do you have? I only have about 1/8" of play, if that.

11-10-2008, 03:17 PM	#1
gametracker08 XDTalk Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 88	Play in Tactical Buttstock Sucks My tapco-style telescoping tactical buttstock has a lot of play in between the spring-loaded locking pin and the holes put the locking pin into to select the length. Sorry if that was confusing. Is there any kind of mod that will tighten up or eliminate this play? I like a 'solid-feeling' peice and this is the only part of my gun that makes if feel like a P.O.S.
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11-10-2008, 03:23 PM	#2
thehinge XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: RC51 SP-1 Posts: 832	If you can afford it: get an VTOR, Magpul, or LMT SOPMOD and you shall be happy with no slop and possibly a strikeplate or some storage onboard! There are creative ways to 'rig' a conventional collapsible... I 'shimmed' one on an old aluminum 4-pos with a little industrial velcro on the rcvr extension tube and it worked fine on a pure-plinker .22lr AR. __________________ substo vel apscedo - latin scholars are free to correct the grammar here My guns were claimed by an unfortunate smelting accident.
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11-10-2008, 04:13 PM	#3
ThumperMX113 XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 2,656	How much play are you talking about? Are you talking about when it's locked and it'll back and forward slightly? If so, my CTR does it ... __________________ "SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM" XD9 Service Bi-Tone \| PRP Match Triger \| PRP Easy Fit Overtravel Stop \| Wolff Guide Rod #21 \| Factory Cleanup Walther P22 S&W M&P Subcompact 9mm RRA LAR15 Entry Tactical Tactical Innovations BDX15 & LMT 16"
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11-10-2008, 04:42 PM	#6
INSTIGATOR XDTalk Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: MIAMI Posts: 89	I was able to fondle a Magpul CTR at a gun show..no play what so ever. I have a Tapco as well. I'll have it till tomm when my new CTR arrives.
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11-10-2008, 04:46 PM	#7
ThumperMX113 XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 2,656	My Magpul CTR has a little play in it. It's not much but it's there. I wouldn't not use it because of the amount of play it's got though. __________________ "SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM" XD9 Service Bi-Tone \| PRP Match Triger \| PRP Easy Fit Overtravel Stop \| Wolff Guide Rod #21 \| Factory Cleanup Walther P22 S&W M&P Subcompact 9mm RRA LAR15 Entry Tactical Tactical Innovations BDX15 & LMT 16"
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11-10-2008, 05:27 PM	#8
Wild Rice XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 806	I agree that slider play is annoying and cheap feeling. There has to be some amount of play so the thing will still slide when packed with sand or mud. There is the unlikely possibility that you have a commercial slider on a mil-spec tube. At gun shows, I have seen the reverse, a mil-spec slider jammed tight on a commercial tube, and this was actually a deal breaker on an AR-57 build I was considering. I upgraded the loose commercial slider on my Rock River Arms LAR-15 to a Magpul CTR (commercial size, $92), using the original RRA commercial tube (i.e. it was very easy to install). The CTR has a release/adjustment lever, and also a locking lever to tighten the play. Pressing the release/adjustment lever automatically disengages the locking lever. Even without the locking lever, the play was reduced 75%. With the locking lever it is reduced 90%. The play does not go away completely, but enough for the rifle to feel more solid, more substantial, and not feel as cheap. The Magpul CTR comes in mil-spec and commerial versions. You did not state the brand of your AR, so I cannot tell you which type you need. The mil-spec tube is smaller in diameter along the slider portion which is slightly less than the diameter of the threaded portion, with a square butt end. The commercial tube has a 5 degree slant on the butt end with the threaded portion the same diameter as the slider portion. Patrick Sweeney finds fault with collapsing stocks. He says that in a panic situation, a shooter could fire a carbine with the stock fully retracted. The recoil could cause injury to the shooter as the rear sight or scope bashes the shooter in the face or eye. He recommends blocking or taping the tube so the front most position cannot be used. I doubt most people do that as they like the compact storage option. However, it would make sense not to routinely keep the stock fully retracted. There may be other better fitting slider replacements, so I don't know if the CTR is the best one or best value. It works and I am satisfied with it. It is a vast improvement. Last edited by Wild Rice; 11-10-2008 at 05:32 PM.
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11-10-2008, 07:52 PM	#9
thehinge XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: RC51 SP-1 Posts: 832	The 'front-most position' issue is addressed with the VLTOR E-Mod. Fully collapsed it is the same length as the original Modstock is pulled open 1 notch from fully closed, even has a strikeplate & nonslip ribber base. The VLTOR is milspec only and available alone or as a complete kit, has no to very little play in it. I'll add that I've used original model + clubfoot short carbine Modstocks fully closed and never managed to injure myself, still like the original for tight spaces. A friend of mine has my old 4-pos aluminum stock, with fuzzy side of the velcro still intact on the sides of the tube and reasonably rattle-free for $4. __________________ substo vel apscedo - latin scholars are free to correct the grammar here My guns were claimed by an unfortunate smelting accident.
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11-10-2008, 08:23 PM	#10
ThumperMX113 XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 2,656	Wild Rice. How much play do you have? I only have about 1/8" of play, if that. __________________ "SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM" XD9 Service Bi-Tone \| PRP Match Triger \| PRP Easy Fit Overtravel Stop \| Wolff Guide Rod #21 \| Factory Cleanup Walther P22 S&W M&P Subcompact 9mm RRA LAR15 Entry Tactical Tactical Innovations BDX15 & LMT 16"
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