no more arfcom for me

[Alaskapopo]

Originally Posted by Don

Not sure what ARin bases his decision on.

Hmm I know how about performance where the rubber meets the road!
Pat

[Chuckles]

T.J.:

I am know a few Police Officers and they are way harder with their firearms than any of us 'civilians' could be. Some of them use no name brand or white box mounts on their AR-15s. One guy just uses a Bushnell Holosight. He says the fancy stuff like Trijicon, Aimpoint, Larue etc are just a waste of money.

Get what works for you and don't worry about the brand name - or lack of.

[Alaskapopo]

Originally Posted by Chuckles

T.J.:

I am know a few Police Officers and they are way harder with their firearms than any of us 'civilians' could be. Some of them use no name brand or white box mounts on their AR-15s. One guy just uses a Bushnell Holosight. He says the fancy stuff like Trijicon, Aimpoint, Larue etc are just a waste of money.

Get what works for you and don't worry about the brand name - or lack of.

Your friend who is a police officer does not know what he is talking about. As a cop I can tell you its not surprising. Most cops just go by what their firearms instructor tells them or on what they think. I am a cop who puts stock in what the experts say not just other cops. Men like Pat Rogers and Larry Vickers. I have had my guys come to the range with some pretty crappy stuff and they get pissed when I won't approve whatever it is for duty. Also what do you mean by " I am know"
Pat

[fishngrits]

One more thing I'd like to add regarding the contrasts between Arfcom, and XDTalk. I find that people on this site are much less open to taking advice and suggestions, even when they ask for it. I've seen many times where a poster will ask for opinions about a specific piece of gear, and when given honest answers by people with more experience, they turn around and tell them that they have no idea what they're talking about, and how "gear A" is just as good as "gear B." This is usually followed by the peanut gallery chiming in, and calling someone a gear snob, because they recommended a superior piece of gear, regardless of the price point. For all of the complaining that I've seen here, about how Arfcom stinks, it's amazing that I see more bickering in a technical forum, on this site; as opposed to over there. A thread titled "No more XDTalk for Me," wouldn't even be allowed in their AR tech forums.

[Alaskapopo]

Originally Posted by fishngrits

One more thing I'd like to add regarding the contrasts between Arfcom, and XDTalk. I find that people on this site are much less open to taking advice and suggestions, even when they ask for it. I've seen many times where a poster will ask for opinions about a specific piece of gear, and when given honest answers by people with more experience, they turn around and tell them that they have no idea what they're talking about, and how "gear A" is just as good as "gear B." This is usually followed by the peanut gallery chiming in, and calling someone a gear snob, because they recommended a superior piece of gear, regardless of the price point. For all of the complaining that I've seen here, about how Arfcom stinks, it's amazing that I see more bickering in a technical forum, on this site; as opposed to over there. A thread titled "No more XDTalk for Me," wouldn't even be allowed in their AR tech forums.

+1
Pat

[T.J.]

Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

AR15.com is one of the better AR15 places on the web. Every site has their jerks. TJ has been down right rude and hostile towards people here, myself included, so in my opinion he has no room to talk. Sounds like he got treated the way he was treating people and is now crying about it.
Pat

Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

He was kicked off a lot of other sites a lot quicker. (lower standards).
Pat

Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

Hmm I know how about performance where the rubber meets the road!
Pat

Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

Your friend who is a police officer does not know what he is talking about. As a cop I can tell you its not surprising. Most cops just go by what their firearms instructor tells them or on what they think. I am a cop who puts stock in what the experts say not just other cops. Men like Pat Rogers and Larry Vickers. I have had my guys come to the range with some pretty crappy stuff and they get pissed when I won't approve whatever it is for duty. Also what do you mean by " I am know"
Pat

Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

+1
Pat

wow here comes the Troll who feels that if you don't own what he owns its less than adequate. spouting off about his buddies Vickers and Rogers

i have never been rude to anyone here that hasn't been rude and obnoxious to me or other members. i dish backout what is served first. you don't like it go cry to your M4carbine buddies no one here cares.

Go figure your opinion on Arfcom as you are just as bad as any of them over there about giving unsolicited Opinions no where in my thread over there did i ask about how much better quality larues stuff is over ADM nor anywhere in this thread did i ask about it.

the point of this thread was about the Trolls that came out of the wood work that offered no value to the question at hand other than to bash what i was looking at because they are Kool Aid drinking Fan boys.

I have officially placed my Order for my ADM mount and i will let it stand on or fall on its own merits,

geesh we are arughing about a hunk of metal that does nothing other than hold a optic in place

[RoninSteel]

Is it really that difficult to just ignore what you consider trolling or snobbery and take what relevant info is given and run? These arguments are always a two way street, so if you just ignore what you don't like they end up talking to a wall.

FWIW

[RyanH]

T.J.,

I read that thread. It was ridiculous how out of hand it got. There was absolutely no excuse for how you were treated.

However, there is a difference between high quality proven gear and the cheap stuff; there is a difference in price point as well as durability and dependability. In my experience, almost without exception, the **** floats to the top with AR gear and you do get exactly what you pay for.

Additionally, when someone like Pat Rogers discusses AR gear, we would be wise to stop and listen to what he has to say.

So be mindful about writing a person like Alaskapopo off immediately as a gun snob if he speak highly of Larue or of other proven AR gear. He may actually have a valid argument. Also, as I recall, you yourself were referred to as a "troll" in your arfcom thread at least a couple of times. We all know how ridiculous that was.

That said, enjoy your American Defense mount and post a review when you get a chance to use it. I've heard good things about them and I honestly hope they emerge as legitimate competition for Larue, ARMS, and the other big players. Competition is good for us consumers.

So is the free exchange of ideas and opinions.

[T.J.]

Originally Posted by RyanH

T.J.,

I read that thread. It was ridiculous how out of hand it got. There was absolutely no excuse for how you were treated.

However, there is a difference between high quality proven gear and the cheap stuff; there is a difference in price point as well as durability and dependability. In my experience, almost without exception, the **** floats to the top with AR gear and you do get exactly what you pay for.

Additionally, when someone like Pat Rogers discusses AR gear, we would be wise to stop and listen to what he has to say.

So be mindful about writing a person like Alaskapopo off immediately as a gun snob if he speak highly of Larue or of other proven AR gear. He may actually have a valid argument. Also, as I recall, you yourself were referred to as a "troll" in your arfcom thread at least a couple of times. We all know how ridiculous that was.

That said, enjoy your American Defense mount and post a review when you get a chance to use it. I've heard good things about them and I honestly hope they emerge as legitimate competition for Larue, ARMS, and the other big players. Competition is good for us consumers.

So is the free exchange of ideas and opinions.

AP and I have our Differences my remark about him being a Troll was his first and immediate Personal attack on me in regards to my choice of mounts.

I agree that there is a lot of great stuff out there some of it is out of my price range some of it is not.

at this point after reading all i can about ADM weather it is a reinvention of the wheel or not it appears to be of high Quality and the majority of the end users have stated so.

the thing about of lot of people both her and on arfcom as well as numerous other sites is that they feel the need to automatically compare what your looking at to something else weather or not you as for that comparison or not.

in the thread not once was a comparison of ADM vs LaRue I asked for what the people that had actually used them though of the product.

it was not that i could not afford a LaRue mount come on they are less than $5 different.

for what I use my Gear for i do not need to have the leetest of the leestest middle of the road works for me.

like most people i buy what appeals to my eye and my wallet. in this particular situation the ADM appealed my eye. so there for i decided to start looking for information about them. however virtually everyone that had no experience with them because they are stuck on one name volunteered their opinion.

AP and i have our differences of opinion he doesn't respect or value my opinion and sure don't respect or value his. over the last month or so i have completely ignored and anything he has posted, his coming to this thread and immediately posting his personal attack on me was his way of drawing me back in to the argument and that by definition makes him a troll

as soon as i get the mount in i will get some pics and put it through some paces and write a review of it. as i have always claimed once it has proven its self to me i will trust it and not until then

[T.J.]

Originally Posted by RyanH

So be mindful about writing a person like Alaskapopo off immediately as a gun snob if he speak highly of Larue or of other proven AR gear. He may actually have a valid argument.

AP has also proven over and over again he is only about what the most expensive trendy gear that all the other guys use.