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Riflemanz · 06-02-2008, 04:31 AM

Stay with Nikon or Leupold.The leapers is junk.

**AZXD** · 06-02-2008, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by EricCartmann

A 3-9x scope is too much scope for a carbine, unless you plan to shoot little varmnints like Prarie dogs.

Any variable scope will also have about 3" of eye relief, so you will also need a proper mount to put the scope more forward in order to get the proper cheek weld.

For man size targets, a 4x zoom is plenty for anything out to 600 yards or less, some will even say it is good out to 800 yards.

In the $200 price range, there is really only one option and that is the Millet DMS. But even with the Millet it is luck of the draw if you end up with a good scope or not. I have 2 Millets, one the glass has a fish eye effect (fuzzy around the edges if you are slightly off center), and the glass on this one is not that clear. My other one has crystal clear glass that is great in low light condition and picking up shadows in really bright condition, it comes very close to my ACOG in clarity, but it has the "fungus problem" on the brightest setting at night.

The first part I agree with. But the second part ...
You're really just saying spend more money, or don't buy a scope.
Millet is the only choice and their QA is bad

It doesn't make much sense to endorse something and then say you have 2 of them and they both have problems.

ForTehNguyen · 06-02-2008, 05:53 AM

i remembered I had a 4x32 scope that came with my ruger 10/22, tried to put it on but the AR railing is much larger than the scopes

Maybe I have to get new mount rings for it, but I sort of want a newer and variable magnification scope. I took a look at that Nikon prostaff on ebay, that looks pretty good also.

Since you have to remove the front sights to use a scope on the upper receiver railing, do you have to rezero when you reinstall the front sights? Could I use something like this to mount the scope on? I would like to keep iron sights intact.

EricCartmann · 06-02-2008, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by AZXD

The first part I agree with. But the second part ...
You're really just saying spend more money, or don't buy a scope.
Millet is the only choice and their QA is bad

It doesn't make much sense to endorse something and then say you have 2 of them and they both have problems.

For $200 it is not bad and gets the job done. Don't expect much when you are budgeting. To me you should spend just as much on optics, if not more than the gun. The gun is a rudimentary device, while the scope is where the technology is. How many gunsmiths do you see out there? How many scopesmiths?

A Millet will serve you just fine for a couple of years until you are able to save up for a S&B.

EricCartmann · 06-02-2008, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ForTehNguyen

i remembered I had a 4x32 scope that came with my ruger 10/22, tried to put it on but the AR railing is much larger than the scopes

Maybe I have to get new mount rings for it, but I sort of want a newer and variable magnification scope. I took a look at that Nikon prostaff on ebay, that looks pretty good also.

Since you have to remove the front sights to use a scope on the upper receiver railing, do you have to rezero when you reinstall the front sights? Could I use something like this to mount the scope on? I would like to keep iron sights intact.

Why do you need to remove the Front sight? You barely even notice the front site. For my 4x ACOG, the front site looks like a piece of hair from the bottom of the 6 oclock position to about 1/8th up the scope. It is not even close to the POA. Anything greater than 4x and the "hair" will disappear. For about 6x and higher the front sight will disappear completely.

ForTehNguyen · 06-02-2008, 08:19 AM

are you using a riser mount for the scope or just on top of the flattop

boricua9mm · 06-02-2008, 08:26 AM

I'd go with a Burris or Nikon. For the low end, they are the best of the bunch IMO.

ckuplent · 06-02-2008, 08:47 AM

One of the best budget set ups is the Millet DMS-1 and the CAA 1 piece mount. I've ran mine in a tactical rifle match and it works. No it's not the top of the line- but for $200 for the scope and $28 for the mount you can't go wrong.

EricCartmann · 06-02-2008, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForTehNguyen

are you using a riser mount for the scope or just on top of the flattop

bartonmd · 06-02-2008, 10:18 AM

I got a Bushnell Banner "dawn to dusk" 4-12x40 from Natchezss.com for $80 on closeout... Seems to hold a zero well, lets in plenty of light, and the spring-operated air rifle guys say they hold a zero and last for ever for them. Compared to a spring-operated air rifle, anything below a .50 is a piece of cake for a scope, let alone a .223...

Doing the research, I came to the conclusion that the scope I ended up getting (above) is the best bang for the buck in the "cheapo" scope market...

This was the cheapest price I found on them, plus they came with a pair of binoculars...
Natchez Shooters Supplies - Bushnell Products - SCOPE 4-12X40 AO MATT W/TA BINOC

Also, if you're putting it on a flat-top (you mentioned removing the carry handle), I found what I think is the best bang for the buck in the 1-piece scope mounts for the AR to be the ProMag mount... I got it for $40, also at Natchezss
Natchez Shooters Supplies - ProMag Magazines Products - AR-15 FLAT TOP SCOPE MOUNT

Both are on here: Got the new AR to the range yesterday...

IMO, scopes are like a lot of things (especially AR-15 things)... The price per value curve is generally exponential... If you look around enough, and shop smart enough, you can usually get 95% of the functionallity for 1/2 to 1/3 of the price...

Mike

06-02-2008, 04:31 AM	#11
Riflemanz XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 242	Stay with Nikon or Leupold.The leapers is junk. __________________ NRA Member Menomonee Falls rod&gun club member I Reload .338wm,45-70,.308,.270,.223,45acp,44mag, fisherman, bowhunter,deerhunter XD45 acp

06-02-2008, 05:53 AM	#13
ForTehNguyen XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 1,332	i remembered I had a 4x32 scope that came with my ruger 10/22, tried to put it on but the AR railing is much larger than the scopes Maybe I have to get new mount rings for it, but I sort of want a newer and variable magnification scope. I took a look at that Nikon prostaff on ebay, that looks pretty good also. Since you have to remove the front sights to use a scope on the upper receiver railing, do you have to rezero when you reinstall the front sights? Could I use something like this to mount the scope on? I would like to keep iron sights intact. __________________ XD9 Service Black XD9 Subcompact x 2 Kimber Tactical Custom II AR15 16" Midlength Lancaster AK47 Remington 870 12ga Express Last edited by ForTehNguyen; 06-02-2008 at 07:51 AM.

06-02-2008, 08:19 AM	#16
ForTehNguyen XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 1,332	are you using a riser mount for the scope or just on top of the flattop __________________ XD9 Service Black XD9 Subcompact x 2 Kimber Tactical Custom II AR15 16" Midlength Lancaster AK47 Remington 870 12ga Express

06-02-2008, 08:26 AM	#17
boricua9mm XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 601	I'd go with a Burris or Nikon. For the low end, they are the best of the bunch IMO. __________________ Videographer/Multimedia Producer http://www.ricanhavocproductions.com

06-02-2008, 10:18 AM	#20
bartonmd XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Central IN Posts: 190	I got a Bushnell Banner "dawn to dusk" 4-12x40 from Natchezss.com for $80 on closeout... Seems to hold a zero well, lets in plenty of light, and the spring-operated air rifle guys say they hold a zero and last for ever for them. Compared to a spring-operated air rifle, anything below a .50 is a piece of cake for a scope, let alone a .223... Doing the research, I came to the conclusion that the scope I ended up getting (above) is the best bang for the buck in the "cheapo" scope market... This was the cheapest price I found on them, plus they came with a pair of binoculars... Natchez Shooters Supplies - Bushnell Products - SCOPE 4-12X40 AO MATT W/TA BINOC Also, if you're putting it on a flat-top (you mentioned removing the carry handle), I found what I think is the best bang for the buck in the 1-piece scope mounts for the AR to be the ProMag mount... I got it for $40, also at Natchezss Natchez Shooters Supplies - ProMag Magazines Products - AR-15 FLAT TOP SCOPE MOUNT Both are on here: Got the new AR to the range yesterday... IMO, scopes are like a lot of things (especially AR-15 things)... The price per value curve is generally exponential... If you look around enough, and shop smart enough, you can usually get 95% of the functionallity for 1/2 to 1/3 of the price... Mike Last edited by bartonmd; 06-02-2008 at 11:16 AM.

06-02-2008, 08:47 AM	#18
ckuplent XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Hippytown, Oregon Posts: 145	One of the best budget set ups is the Millet DMS-1 and the CAA 1 piece mount. I've ran mine in a tactical rifle match and it works. No it's not the top of the line- but for $200 for the scope and $28 for the mount you can't go wrong.

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