Flash Hiders..what the difference? - XDTalk Forums - Your HS2000/SA-XD Information Source!

**jonny4523** · 05-29-2008, 11:18 PM

So I'm looking at the multitude of different flash hiders, and I could easily pick out a handful or two that I think look really cool. But from a functionality standpoint, is there really any difference?

**trelane** · 05-29-2008, 11:40 PM

Well all those flash hiders/flash suppressors will get you put in jail. What you are actually looking at are muzzle brakes which are entirely legal.

**jonny4523** · 05-30-2008, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by trelane

Well all those flash hiders/flash suppressors will get you put in jail. What you are actually looking at are muzzle brakes which are entirely legal.

Hmm.... I've used some nice muzzle breaks. If these that I'm looking at are considered muzzle breaks, then their functionality must suck.

**Alaskapopo** · 05-30-2008, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by trelane

Well all those flash hiders/flash suppressors will get you put in jail. What you are actually looking at are muzzle brakes which are entirely legal.

Flash hiders are legal where I am at and in most of the 50 states. Is your state different?

But to the original question not all flash hiders are created equal. The Vortex is one of the best, the Phantom is a good deal for the money. Muzzle brakes are great on competion guns but they are not great on a CQB weapon.
Pat

battalion13 · 05-30-2008, 12:52 AM

Alaskapopo is correct. I'm in Texas and we can use which ever as long as the barrel is over all length is 16". Some states are different, but I just purchased a JTD 14 1/2" barrel with permanent Phantom 5C1 attached. I also have a Oly arms 16" with a Vortex and a 11 1/2" with 5 1/2" flash hider.

Flash hiders were designed to hide the fire when exiting the barrel. Thats why the Vortex and Phantom hide 99% of the flash. Compensator's are designed to keep the barrel level while the gases exit for follow up shots, thats why they use them in competition. My understanding is that the compensator shoots gases up to keep the barrel down. Muzzle devices do the same thing, but shoots the gases to the sides. I've seen the JP muzzle device shot at a gun range and he was able to shoot repeatedly without any movement of the barrel.

**Alaskapopo** · 05-30-2008, 01:15 AM

1.Top barrel is no muzzle device
2.AAC Blackout
3.Smith vortex
4.USGI A2 bird cage
5. M4 2000 sound suppressor.

**jonny4523** · 05-30-2008, 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

1.Top barrel is no muzzle device
2.AAC Blackout
3.Smith vortex
4.USGI A2 bird cage
5. M4 2000 sound suppressor.

So which pictures are which? I see the ones with the suppressor, but that's it.

**Alaskapopo** · 05-30-2008, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jonny4523

So which pictures are which? I see the ones with the suppressor, but that's it.

The black to the right is the supressors to the left being fired in a dark room.
Pat

**Alaskapopo** · 05-30-2008, 01:54 AM

**jonny4523** · 05-30-2008, 02:11 AM

Sweet. The bigger picture helps. Thanks.

05-29-2008, 11:18 PM	#1
jonny4523 XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lafayette, IN Posts: 2,033	Flash Hiders..what the difference? So I'm looking at the multitude of different flash hiders, and I could easily pick out a handful or two that I think look really cool. But from a functionality standpoint, is there really any difference? __________________ -XD40 Service (Feb 2002) Springer Precision Carry Trigger -XD9 Tactical (June 2007) Springer Competition Trigger, USPSA Production -Remington 870 Mag, 12g, my hunting companion -Thompson/Center Triumph (June 2007) -Ruger Mark II (Oct 2004) Gvt Comp Model -AR build (Sept 07 - May 08 ) Mostly RR NRA, USPSA #TY60062 -If guns kill people, then spoons made Rosie O'Donnel fat! -When seconds count, the police are only minutes away

05-29-2008, 11:40 PM	#2
trelane XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 216	Well all those flash hiders/flash suppressors will get you put in jail. What you are actually looking at are muzzle brakes which are entirely legal. __________________ SA XD .45 ACP Tactical Compact (311 rounds, "FAT" DGR) \| KIMBER STAINLESS PRO CARRY II (107 Rounds) Russian '53 \| SKS Russian '43 91/30 \| SA XD .45 ACP Service (now sold) NRA Member 153292899 \| Indiana CCW Permit Holder "Fear is the father of servitude, and the captor of man. There cannot be slavery without fear, nor freedom with it."

05-30-2008, 01:15 AM	#6
Alaskapopo XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 2,862	1.Top barrel is no muzzle device 2.AAC Blackout 3.Smith vortex 4.USGI A2 bird cage 5. M4 2000 sound suppressor. __________________ Colt M16/AR15,1911 & Glock Armorer. Certified Firearms Instructor & Urban Rifle Instructor. Completed SWAT Entry Team and SWAT Sniper courses. NRA Endowment Member IDPA Expert level shooter in CDP, ESP and SSP. USPSA A 56876 IDPA A27468 Last edited by Alaskapopo; 05-30-2008 at 01:17 AM.

05-30-2008, 01:54 AM	#9
Alaskapopo XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 2,862	__________________ Colt M16/AR15,1911 & Glock Armorer. Certified Firearms Instructor & Urban Rifle Instructor. Completed SWAT Entry Team and SWAT Sniper courses. NRA Endowment Member IDPA Expert level shooter in CDP, ESP and SSP. USPSA A 56876 IDPA A27468

05-30-2008, 02:11 AM	#10
jonny4523 XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lafayette, IN Posts: 2,033	Sweet. The bigger picture helps. Thanks. __________________ -XD40 Service (Feb 2002) Springer Precision Carry Trigger -XD9 Tactical (June 2007) Springer Competition Trigger, USPSA Production -Remington 870 Mag, 12g, my hunting companion -Thompson/Center Triumph (June 2007) -Ruger Mark II (Oct 2004) Gvt Comp Model -AR build (Sept 07 - May 08 ) Mostly RR NRA, USPSA #TY60062 -If guns kill people, then spoons made Rosie O'Donnel fat! -When seconds count, the police are only minutes away

05-30-2008, 12:52 AM	#5
battalion13 XDTalk Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Corpus Christi,TX Posts: 67	Alaskapopo is correct. I'm in Texas and we can use which ever as long as the barrel is over all length is 16". Some states are different, but I just purchased a JTD 14 1/2" barrel with permanent Phantom 5C1 attached. I also have a Oly arms 16" with a Vortex and a 11 1/2" with 5 1/2" flash hider. Flash hiders were designed to hide the fire when exiting the barrel. Thats why the Vortex and Phantom hide 99% of the flash. Compensator's are designed to keep the barrel level while the gases exit for follow up shots, thats why they use them in competition. My understanding is that the compensator shoots gases up to keep the barrel down. Muzzle devices do the same thing, but shoots the gases to the sides. I've seen the JP muzzle device shot at a gun range and he was able to shoot repeatedly without any movement of the barrel.

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