"Assault weapons ban" alive and well...

[trik396]

Originally Posted by yeahYeah

If people think the "assault weapons ban" is bad, you gotta see what the anti's are cooking up now....outright bans on certain types of ammo unless its given microstamping.

The anti's are avoiding the "gun control" issue and instead going to try to wipe out our ammo supplies. Ridiculous.
Notice how politicians avoid the term "gun control" and instead talk about common sense gun laws...
The Governator in Kalifornia signed a bill to mandate microstamping even though the technology doesn't exist currently and now I've heard they have banned all lead bullets... because some Condors were getting lead poisoning from allegedly eating dead animal carcasses that had lead from hunters bullets. Tell me that ain't a load of crap...

[yeahYeah]

stock up on ammo. seriously. govt. regulation will drive up cost (like gas).

microstamping is unproven and will be VERY hard to enforce.

[chupacabrachus]

Originally Posted by trik396

So who else on a national level can help protect our rights as well as the NRA?

Not pointing at you specifically, but can ANYONE tell me what the NRA is doing actually? I see "protect our rights" and "stand up for our rights" all of the time in these threads, but what does that translate into as far as action? I fully support the NRA's competitions, training programs, youth-programs, hunting programs, etc... but as far as "protecting our rights" what are they DOING? Anytime I ever asked them what their plan of action was reguarding a certain bill or proposal I wouldn't get a reply. If I asked them what a life-membership costed, they would reply the same day. Same email address, same website form... the messages I sent asking "hard questions" must have somehow got lost in the exact same system as the ones asking about donating. After a few rounds of this, I lost a GREAT deal of respect for the organization I used to stalwartly defend.

[trik396]

Not knocking you back either but in every American Riflemen magazine I receive there are many articles on the legislation they are working on... Most recent I've read about the NRA helping to write legislation for BATF reform. I guess the wacko Feds pick apart such minor things when they do inspections and call them "willful misinterpretations" of the rules, then they pull the license with almost no recourse. They do and have done a lot to protect us from insane anti gun legislation.

[Jettubby]

Well ya do live in ILL. Communist state of the midwest.

[dawggs]

Originally Posted by Jettubby

Well ya do live in ILL. Communist state of the midwest.

And their leader is running for prez. that is scary. gun control laws are about the only thing he voted yes for.

[trik396]

I have done as much as one guy can do to avert the communism you speak of. I have voted pro-gun in every election since I was 18yrs of age. There are millions of us being held captive, literally, in this state by corrupt politicians. I resent the way the last two posts were stated. My leader is not Obama and you should realize that we are fighting tooth and nail to stop these bastards who violate our rights. I dream of obtaining the freedoms that you in other states have.

[Zombie Hunter]

Originally Posted by Grip

agreed...the NRA sucks!...its a huge scam.

I think they do a great job and are very involved at a national and local level. What they did to get guns back to their lawful owners who had theirs rights trampled on in New Orleans after hurricane Katrina alone makes them worth while! Do you know police illegally disarmed citizens trying to stay alive and wouldn't even give then a receipt as they took their weapons!

Here's what they were doing just last week! Thanks NRA!

Outrage Of The Week Friday, April 25, 2008 This week’s outrage comes courtesy of Philadelphia Police Commissioner, and former Washington, D.C. police chief, Charles Ramsey.
As we recently reported, the Philadelphia City Council passed five gun control measures, which were subsequently signed by Mayor Michael Nutter in direct violation of Pennsylvania’s state preemption law.
A Philadelphia County court granted NRA’s motion for a temporary restraining order against the new gun control regulations and ruled that Philadelphia is barred from enforcing the ordinances and moving forward on promulgating regulations. But the City opposed the injunction, saying they believed that the ordinances are both necessary and legal.
And while District Attorney Lynne Abraham previously advised Philadelphia’s city council and mayor that their gun control proposals were unconstitutional, the city pressed on, defying the state’s firearm preemption law in its attempt to circumvent the Pennsylvania legislature.
Enter Commissioner Ramsey, whose anti-gun leanings and arrogant, above-the-law mentalities have followed him to the City of Brotherly Love.
Not content with his city passing illegal gun control “laws,” Ramsey is actually encouraging the City Council and Mayor Nutter to ignore the legal advice of city attorneys against enforcing the ordinances. Not only is he in favor of enforcing the illegal measures, he was recently quoted as saying, “As far as I am concerned, the laws are valid, and we will act as if this whole conversation with the D.A. just didn't take place.”
When the City’s Police Commissioner--the top law enforcement official--encourages the mayor and council members to ignore legal advice, that’s not just blatantly arrogant and anti-gun, that’s outrageous.

[yeahYeah]

Originally Posted by trik396

I have done as much as one guy can do to avert the communism you speak of. I have voted pro-gun in every election since I was 18yrs of age. There are millions of us being held captive, literally, in this state by corrupt politicians. I resent the way the last two posts were stated. My leader is not Obama and you should realize that we are fighting tooth and nail to stop these bastards who violate our rights. I dream of obtaining the freedoms that you in other states have.

come to nevada - its a very gun friendly state. it's part of this free country called "America"

[Zombie Hunter]

Here's an interesting look at other countries:

I didn't realize how ridiculous some countries were!

England -- Licenses have been required for rifles and handguns since 1920, and for shotguns since 1967. A decade ago semi-automatic and pump-action center-fire rifles, and all handguns except single- shot .22s, were prohibited. The .22s were banned in 1997. Shotguns must be registered and semi-automatic shotguns that can hold more than two shells must be licensed. Despite a near ban on private ownership of firearms, "English crime rates as measured in both victim surveys and police statistics have all risen since 1981. . . . In 1995 the English robbery rate was 1.4 times higher than America`s. . . . the English assault rate was more than double America`s." All told, "Whether measured by surveys of crime victims or by police statistics, serious crime rates are not generally higher in the United States than England." (Bureau of Justice Statistics, "Crime and Justice in the United States and in England and in Wales, 1981-1996," 10/98.) An English doctor is suspected of murdering more than 200 people, many times the number killed in the gun-related crimes used to justify the most recent restrictions.
"A June 2000 CBS News report proclaimed Great Britain `one of the most violent urban societies in the Western world.` Declared Dan Rather: `This summer, thousands of Americans will travel to Britain expecting a civilized island free from crime and ugliness. . . (But now) the U.K. has a crime problem . . . worse than ours.`" (David Kopel, Paul Gallant, and Joanne Eisen, "Britain: From Bad to Worse," America`s First Freedom, 3/01, p. 26.) Street crime increased 47% between 1999 and 2000 (John Steele, "Crime on streets of London doubles," London Daily Telegraph, Feb. 29, 2000.) See also www.2ndlawlib.org/journals/okslip.html , www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment071800c.html, and www.nraila.org/research/19990716-BillofRightsCivilRights-030.html.
Australia -- Licensing of gun owners was imposed in 1973, each handgun requires a separate license, and self-defense is not considered a legitimate reason to have a firearm. Registration of firearms was imposed in 1985. In May 1996 semi-automatic center-fire rifles and many semi-automatic and pump-action shotguns were prohibited. As of Oct. 2000, about 660,000 privately owned firearms had been confiscated and destroyed. However, according to the Australian Institute of Criminology, between 1996-1998 assaults rose 16 percent, armed robberies rose 73 percent, and unlawful entries rose eight percent. Murders increased slightly in 1997 and decreased slightly in 1998. (Jacob Sullum, "Guns down under," Reason, Australia, p. 10, 10/1/00) For more information on Australian crime trends, see www.nraila.org/research/20000329-BanningGuns-001.shtml.
Canada -- A 1934 law required registration of handguns. A 1977 law (Bill C-51) required a "Firearms Acquisition Certificate" for acquiring a firearm, eliminated protection of property as a reason for acquiring a handgun, and required registration of "restricted weapons," defined to include semi- automatic rifles legislatively attacked in this country under the slang and confusing misnomer, "assault weapon." The 1995 Canadian Firearms Act (C-6 prohibited compact handguns and all handguns in .32 or .25 caliber -- half of privately owned handguns. It required all gun owners to be licensed by Jan. 1, 2000, and to register all rifles and shotguns by Jan. 1, 2003. C-68 broadened the police powers of "search and seizure" and allowed the police to enter homes without search warrants, to "inspect" gun storage and look for unregistered guns. Canada has no American "Fifth Amendment;" C-68 requires suspected gun owners to testify against themselves. Because armed self-defense is considered inappropriate by the government, "Prohibited Weapons Orders" have prohibited private possession and use of Mace and similar, non-firearm means of protection. (For more information, see www.cfc- ccaf.gc.ca and www.nraila.org/research/20010215-InternationalGunControl-001.shtml.

From 1978 to 1988, Canada`s burglary rate increased 25%, surpassing the U.S. rate. Half of burglaries in Canada are of occupied homes, compared to only 10% in the U.S. From 1976 to 1980, ethnically and economically similar areas of the U.S. and Canada had virtually identical homicide rates, despite significantly different firearm laws. See also www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel120700.shtml

Germany -- Described in the Library of Congress report as "among the most stringent in Europe," Germany`s laws are almost as restrictive as those which HCI wants imposed in the U.S. Licenses are required to buy or own a firearm, and to get a license a German must prove his or her "need" and pass a government test. Different licenses are required for hunters, recreational shooters, and collectors. As is the case in Washington, D.C., it is illegal to have a gun ready for defensive use in your own home. Before being allowed to have a firearm for protection, a German must again prove "need." Yet the annual number of firearm-related murders in Germany rose 76% between 1992-1995. (Library of Congress, p. 69.) It should be noted, HCI goes further than the Germans, believing "there is no constitutional right to self-defense" (HCI Chair Sarah Brady, quoted in Tom Jackson, "Keeping the Battle Alive," Tampa Tribune, 10/21/93) and "the only reason for guns in civilian hands is sporting purposes" (HCI`s Center to Prevent Handgun Violence Director, Dennis Henigan, quoted in USA Today, 11/20/91).
Italy -- There are limits on the number of firearms and the quantity of ammunition a person may own. To be issued a permit to carry a firearm, a person must prove an established need, such as a dangerous occupation. Firearms which use the same ammunition as firearms used by the military -- which in America would include countless millions of rifles, shotguns, and handguns -- and ammunition for them are prohibited. Yet, "Italy`s gun law, `the most restrictive in Europe,` had left her southern provinces alone with a thousand firearm murders a year, thirty times Switzerland`s total." (Richard A. I. Munday, Most Armed & Most Free?, Brightlingsea, Essex: Piedmont Publishing, 1996.)