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Old 03-17-2008, 03:39 PM   #31
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When Olyimpic first started producing AR's they used alot of surplus parts to include the bolt and carrier and trigger components. He actually replaced the lower parts with a new DPMS kit years ago, But apparently this rifle has been fired alot. Olafson says the rifle was not modified in any way and the ATF would not allow anyone other than their experts to examine the firearm in question to confirm their claims. Just sounds a little to contrived to me and the fact that they would not allow evidence from OLY arms on Tax Basis? Come on this screams set up from day 1. Any Semi auto can Malfunction and fire a burst, in fact if the trigger is not set right or is worn on a 1911 it can go FA and dump a full mag at around 1200rpm, Not pleasant let me assure you. Parts wear out or break but this alone should not cause you to be stripped of your rights or prison time.
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Old 03-17-2008, 04:30 PM   #32
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Unfortunately he seems to have represented himself believing that the ATF had set precident with other cases of similar circumstances.
I didn't read the other post from ARFCOM, but if he really did represent himself then he is really D-U-M-B DUMB. What's the old line, "the man who represents himself in court has a fool for a client"? He needed an experienced trial lawyer to get all of the relevant information out of ATF and to test all of their allegations and theories, together with testifying experts, etc.

Wonder if he can sue himself for innefective counsel???
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This is exactly why I only go to the range with my handguns and shotgun. I take my ARs to the desert in the middle of nowhere where if I do have any slamfire malfunctions, at least there wont be any witnesses to turn me into the feds.

God, the ATF really needs to go away or at least be turned into the AT!!!
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Old 03-17-2008, 05:03 PM   #34
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When Olyimpic first started producing AR's they used alot of surplus parts to include the bolt and carrier and trigger components. He actually replaced the lower parts with a new DPMS kit years ago, But apparently this rifle has been fired alot. Olafson says the rifle was not modified in any way and the ATF would not allow anyone other than their experts to examine the firearm in question to confirm their claims. Just sounds a little to contrived to me and the fact that they would not allow evidence from OLY arms on Tax Basis? Come on this screams set up from day 1. Any Semi auto can Malfunction and fire a burst, in fact if the trigger is not set right or is worn on a 1911 it can go FA and dump a full mag at around 1200rpm, Not pleasant let me assure you. Parts wear out or break but this alone should not cause you to be stripped of your rights or prison time.
Has Olofson gone to trial yet? The Feds would have to allow testing by the defense when they make it to trial. I hope you are right and they set the guy up. But to read the charging papers he really looks like he did some dumb stuff. If he filed down the bolt and put a special firing pin in, he will have a very tough row to hoe.

Anyways... be that as it may... what can we all do to minimize or eliminate the risk of slam fire in our AR's? I haven't got any local deserts to go to fire my weapon. I have our Sportsman's Club which has a 300 yard range. I became a member but they make it very clear no full auto without prior Board permission. I don't ever want to be in the position of having my AR making its own decisions.
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Has Olofson gone to trial yet? *SNIP*
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Has Olofson gone to trial yet? The Feds would have to allow testing by the defense when they make it to trial. I hope you are right and they set the guy up. But to read the charging papers he really looks like he did some dumb stuff. If he filed down the bolt and put a special firing pin in, he will have a very tough row to hoe.

Anyways... be that as it may... what can we all do to minimize or eliminate the risk of slam fire in our AR's? I haven't got any local deserts to go to fire my weapon. I have our Sportsman's Club which has a 300 yard range. I became a member but they make it very clear no full auto without prior Board permission. I don't ever want to be in the position of having my AR making its own decisions.
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First never loan any gun to anyone, You have no controll of what they can do to your gun, 2nd use only quality ammo or reloads with standard or military primers. Federal, CCI and Winchester primers seem to have the hardest primer cups so there will be less chance of slam fires. 3rd if you do have a double or tripple ect have the gun looked at immediately by a qualified gunsmith do not reload it to see if it happens again. If approached by range staff after such a incident explain that you dont know what happened but are going to take it to a gunsmith immediately to find out. Finally if dragged into court get a Lawyer that is familiar with these types of cases contact the NRA immediately if you are a member join immediately if you are not one. As far as modifying his gun I dont know of any firing pin mods that will make a slam fire more likely but I do know of one that will make it less likely A titanium firing pin is lighter and will not make contact with the primer hard enough to detonate it during normal cycling of the action.
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well if you put in a really heavy firing pin it would increase the chance of it setting the primer off. and if you put a heavier spring in the buffer tube the bolt carrier would come back with more force again increasing the chance of a slam fire.

and i dont know if this would work or not but if you reshaped the firingpin at the tip so a smaller area hit the primer it might cause it to fire easier or it could punture the primer but either way thats deffinitly not something i would try
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Making a AR system rifle slam fire is just plain stupid, the gun is designed to fire from a locked breach and modifying it to fire otherwise is not only dangerous to the rifle but could get you killed when the gun explodes in your face. No one as familiar with the AR system as Olofson would attempt such a modification and anyone who would is a plain fool. We are talking about a cartridge that operates at over 50,000psi.
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Great advice... thanks guys! I am not an expert with the AR so this one kind of blindsided me. At least I have some ideas about what to do if something bad happens.
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