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Lazarus · 02-05-2008, 11:38 AM

I'm beginning to research my next AR-15. I want to get a varminter but I have some questions. The one I'm looking at is Stag Arms. It has a 24'' steel barrel with a 1in8'' twist. Fluted/free floating aluminum handguard, a 2-stage match trigger and an A2 stock. Are these some good features? What's the benefit of the free floating handguard? How much distance will this go over my regular 16'' barrel M4? I have more questions but will post them later.

rogerxd45 · 02-05-2008, 11:47 AM

well the free float helps improve accuracy but it doesnt make a big difference IMO i personally got the free float for the looks and secondly the accuracy improvement.
now as far as the 24" barrel goes i feel its a little excessive i have an 18" which in what i have read (sorry no links) is the minimum length to burn all the powder. the 24" will give some more velocity but that comes at a price of extra weight. and i doubt you would notice much differnce between a 20" and 24"

now as far as twist goes what type of bullets are you planning on shooting?

ichy_trigger · 02-05-2008, 11:53 AM

My varmint build has a 24" barrel and its going to be one heavy SOB. If I could have gotten the barrel in 20"-21" that would have been my choice. I got the 24" barrel because it came stainless/fluted and UNDER $200.00

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The freefloat tube will improve accuracy because there will be no pressure to influence the barrel while shooting. This is more important if your shooting off of a bipod. the other benefit of the freefloat is a rest will not influence the barrel harmonics.

Lazarus · 02-05-2008, 12:07 PM

How many lbs is yalls rifles? This one is 15 without the bipod and scope.

ichy_trigger · 02-05-2008, 12:12 PM

So far I only have the upper built and I have not weighed it with my other lower on it.

Longballsd · 02-05-2008, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lazarus

How many lbs is yalls rifles? This one is 15 without the bipod and scope.

15lbs.????????? WOW!!!!

I could carry TWO of my Bushy superlights with the same weight. Now if I could only figure out how to shoot BOTH of them at the same time.......

Lazarus · 02-05-2008, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Longballsd

15lbs.????????? WOW!!!!

I could carry TWO of my Bushy superlights with the same weight. Now if I could only figure out how to shoot BOTH of them at the same time.......

My fault its 9.7lbs. It was hard for me to see on the little screen on my phone.

rogerxd45 · 02-05-2008, 12:53 PM

what weight ammo are you planning on shooting?

Lazarus · 02-05-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by rogerxd45

what weight ammo are you planning on shooting?

Probably regular 55grn

scalce · 02-05-2008, 01:35 PM

If it helps any my current build is going to be:

24" SS fluted and threaded with 1:8 twist
JP Tactical Muzzle brake
FF tube
Harris Bipod
2 stage trigger
Ace skeleton stock
yada yada yada

Personally I think the 1:8 is the best of both worlds and allows you to shoot a wider spectrum of weights. I have heard that there are flukes where a 1:9 doesn't like 55s but loves 70s and vice versa.

I have a crapload of Wolf which will not be used in this chamber. I have enough raw materials to make 5k of 55 FMJ BTs but I want to have the ability to load some heavier rounds.

I don't know how heavy the rifle will be but that only matters from the truck to the bench.

Some people say 24" is overkill for 300 yards but why not have alittle more muzzle velocity?

This isn't my mall ninja gun.

That's what my carbine is for.

02-05-2008, 11:38 AM	#1
Lazarus XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 4,961	Varminters for dummies I'm beginning to research my next AR-15. I want to get a varminter but I have some questions. The one I'm looking at is Stag Arms. It has a 24'' steel barrel with a 1in8'' twist. Fluted/free floating aluminum handguard, a 2-stage match trigger and an A2 stock. Are these some good features? What's the benefit of the free floating handguard? How much distance will this go over my regular 16'' barrel M4? I have more questions but will post them later. __________________ You never know what you'll miss until its gone.

02-05-2008, 11:53 AM	#3
ichy_trigger XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 7,525	My varmint build has a 24" barrel and its going to be one heavy SOB. If I could have gotten the barrel in 20"-21" that would have been my choice. I got the 24" barrel because it came stainless/fluted and UNDER $200.00 . The freefloat tube will improve accuracy because there will be no pressure to influence the barrel while shooting. This is more important if your shooting off of a bipod. the other benefit of the freefloat is a rest will not influence the barrel harmonics. __________________ "The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." http://militarysignatures.com/signatures/member2645.png

02-05-2008, 12:07 PM	#4
Lazarus XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 4,961	How many lbs is yalls rifles? This one is 15 without the bipod and scope. __________________ You never know what you'll miss until its gone.

02-05-2008, 12:12 PM	#5
ichy_trigger XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 7,525	So far I only have the upper built and I have not weighed it with my other lower on it. __________________ "The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." http://militarysignatures.com/signatures/member2645.png

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02-05-2008, 11:47 AM	#2
rogerxd45 XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: boise ID (its boy-see, not boy-z) Posts: 3,592	well the free float helps improve accuracy but it doesnt make a big difference IMO i personally got the free float for the looks and secondly the accuracy improvement. now as far as the 24" barrel goes i feel its a little excessive i have an 18" which in what i have read (sorry no links) is the minimum length to burn all the powder. the 24" will give some more velocity but that comes at a price of extra weight. and i doubt you would notice much differnce between a 20" and 24" now as far as twist goes what type of bullets are you planning on shooting?

02-05-2008, 12:53 PM	#8
rogerxd45 XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: boise ID (its boy-see, not boy-z) Posts: 3,592	what weight ammo are you planning on shooting?

02-05-2008, 01:35 PM	#10
scalce XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Upstate SC Posts: 1,415	If it helps any my current build is going to be: 24" SS fluted and threaded with 1:8 twist JP Tactical Muzzle brake FF tube Harris Bipod 2 stage trigger Ace skeleton stock yada yada yada Personally I think the 1:8 is the best of both worlds and allows you to shoot a wider spectrum of weights. I have heard that there are flukes where a 1:9 doesn't like 55s but loves 70s and vice versa. I have a crapload of Wolf which will not be used in this chamber. I have enough raw materials to make 5k of 55 FMJ BTs but I want to have the ability to load some heavier rounds. I don't know how heavy the rifle will be but that only matters from the truck to the bench. Some people say 24" is overkill for 300 yards but why not have alittle more muzzle velocity? This isn't my mall ninja gun. That's what my carbine is for.