AR-15 Pistol w/Forward Grip - How's Ruger doing it? - XDTalk Forums - Your HS2000/SA-XD Information Source!

Polymerhead · 02-03-2008, 02:38 PM

Can anyone enlighten me as to why it's illegal to put a forward vertical pistol grip on an AR-15 pistol (without making an AOW) but Ruger is marketing its new Charger pistol with a bipod? Could you put a bipod on an AR pistol? I know the ATF has issued statements that specifically say it's a violation to put a forward grip on a pistol.

http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=4901

jeepinbanditrider · 02-03-2008, 02:55 PM

Because a bipod is not a forward grip.

chrisxd45t · 02-03-2008, 03:00 PM

If you try and understand it your head will explode.
Why something like a vertical grip that can be taken on and off in 2 seconds makes a gun illegal, while something that could be used for the same purpose, like a bipod, is okay, is simply beyond me.
Do they think we can't simply use the mag as a forward grip? Why does having something placed further forward on the gun make it "bad."

Polymerhead · 02-03-2008, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeepinbanditrider

Because a bipod is not a forward grip.

Well, if a bipod is OK, why not a monopod? Does that mean as long as I built something or bought something marketed as a monopod then it would be a non-violation (I almost said "legal" but we all know that half of what the BATFE says and decides is not based on law, just opinion).

I don't even have an AR pistol, so I don't know why this is bugging me.

jeepinbanditrider · 02-03-2008, 03:24 PM

That is true we are talking about the same folks that say a shoestring makes a machinegun lol

**Ed Ely** · 02-03-2008, 05:05 PM

You can put a forward on this machine if
you like after you purchase it. Hello, an
AOW is only $5.00.

Ed

Polymerhead · 02-03-2008, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Ely

You can put a forward on this machine if
you like after you purchase it. Hello, an
AOW is only $5.00.

Ed

I can't make one for $5 - maybe you can, Ed. I could buy one and the transfer tax would be $5, after all the paperwork, signatures, fingerprints, shipping fees and the approval wait. If I were to make on it would be $200 as I'm not a Class 3 dealer. I wasn't really talking about the possibilities of NFA weapons in the original post - just pointing out the technicalities between a bipod, monopod and vertical grip.

**Ed Ely** · 02-03-2008, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Polymerhead

I can't make one for $5 - maybe you can, Ed. I could buy one and the transfer tax would be $5, after all the paperwork, signatures, fingerprints, shipping fees and the approval wait. If I were to make on it would be $200 as I'm not a Class 3 dealer. I wasn't really talking about the possibilities of NFA weapons in the original post - just pointing out the technicalities between a bipod, monopod and vertical grip.

Oh!

Ed

rogerxd45 · 02-03-2008, 06:51 PM

if you have a class 3 AOW Manufacturer do it then its $5 but if you do it your self its $200

i went through this when i wanted an AOW shotgun and since buying the shorter version (14") cost about $200 extra for no aparent reason i was going to buy a 18" shotgun that came with a pistol grip from the factory and then pay the $5 tax but that is not the case now i could have done it and p[ay the $200 but i would rather have a factory version since the overall price is the same.
well i ended up getting a 14" mossberg 590 (still waiting on tax stamp)

**yocan** · 02-03-2008, 07:25 PM

Wonder if you took the grippy stuff off a grip pod, would you be afoul? probably, but a fun argument nonetheless

02-03-2008, 02:38 PM	#1
Polymerhead XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: MO, USA Posts: 1,402	AR-15 Pistol w/Forward Grip - How's Ruger doing it? Can anyone enlighten me as to why it's illegal to put a forward vertical pistol grip on an AR-15 pistol (without making an AOW) but Ruger is marketing its new Charger pistol with a bipod? Could you put a bipod on an AR pistol? I know the ATF has issued statements that specifically say it's a violation to put a forward grip on a pistol. http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=4901 __________________ No alarms and no surprises, please.

02-03-2008, 02:55 PM	#2
jeepinbanditrider XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Mineral Wells, Tx Posts: 4,836	Because a bipod is not a forward grip. __________________ Stuff USPSA-A59201

02-03-2008, 03:00 PM	#3
chrisxd45t XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Monterey/San Jose California Posts: 1,226	If you try and understand it your head will explode. Why something like a vertical grip that can be taken on and off in 2 seconds makes a gun illegal, while something that could be used for the same purpose, like a bipod, is okay, is simply beyond me. Do they think we can't simply use the mag as a forward grip? Why does having something placed further forward on the gun make it "bad." __________________ LEGALIZE FREEDOM Last edited by chrisxd45t; 02-03-2008 at 03:02 PM.

02-03-2008, 03:24 PM	#5
jeepinbanditrider XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Mineral Wells, Tx Posts: 4,836	That is true we are talking about the same folks that say a shoestring makes a machinegun lol __________________ Stuff USPSA-A59201

02-03-2008, 07:25 PM	#10
yocan XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Detroit Posts: 2,110	Wonder if you took the grippy stuff off a grip pod, would you be afoul? probably, but a fun argument nonetheless __________________ The three requirements for a school shooting. 1 know the floorplan. 2 Know the threats inside the location and response time/entry time for the police 3. Royally screwed up intelligent analytic mind. We need more laws to protect these three rights. Ban guns in schools, it obviously works.

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Ed Ely XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: 37.65N -84.76W (Elev. 932 ft) Posts: 7,652 Blog Entries: 1	You can put a forward on this machine if you like after you purchase it. Hello, an AOW is only $5.00. Ed

02-03-2008, 06:51 PM	#9
rogerxd45 XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: boise ID (its boy-see, not boy-z) Posts: 3,592	if you have a class 3 AOW Manufacturer do it then its $5 but if you do it your self its $200 i went through this when i wanted an AOW shotgun and since buying the shorter version (14") cost about $200 extra for no aparent reason i was going to buy a 18" shotgun that came with a pistol grip from the factory and then pay the $5 tax but that is not the case now i could have done it and p[ay the $200 but i would rather have a factory version since the overall price is the same. well i ended up getting a 14" mossberg 590 (still waiting on tax stamp)

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