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Tomcat088 · 11-23-2007, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottyPotty

The .243 was created by necking down the .308 case for a .243 bullet.

(I think) the AR - 243 is an AR-10 with a smaller (.243) barrel. I think they use the same bolt because the case size is the same.

Actually, the .308 was created by necking UP a .243 case. The .243 came before the .308. Yes, you are right that from what I have read, the .243 AR is an AR-10 that is chambered in .243 instead of .308. Initially though, I didn't know if maybe they just changed the bolt face on the AR-15. Because the .243 isn't that big of a push compared to the .223 because the bullet weights wouldn't stress the action too much. This is why I wasn't sure which platform it was built on. Further reading though makes it appear that most or all of the .243 AR's are built on AR-10's.

**magnumize** · 11-23-2007, 04:14 PM

Two years ago a buddy of mine took 2 doe with his ar-15,both dropped where they stood.One was 60 yards and the other was about 90 yards.

ScottyPotty · 11-23-2007, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tomcat088

Actually, the .308 was created by necking UP a .243 case. The .243 came before the .308

The .308 was first produced in 1952 and is based off the 7.62x51mm nato round, and was designed to replace the 30-06 as the next service round.

The .243 was first produced in 1955 using a necked down 308 case.

I tried doing a little research but have found nothing stating the 308 was made from a necked UP 243 case. All the information I find is the opposite.

Wikipedia states that the 308 is the parent case.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.243_Winchester

Can you please provide sources for your statement? I'm curious on the history of these cartridges.

bigun · 11-23-2007, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottyPotty

The .308 was first produced in 1952 and is based off the 7.62x51mm nato round, and was designed to replace the 30-06 as the next service round.

The .243 was first produced in 1955 using a necked down 308 case.

I tried doing a little research but have found nothing stating the 308 was made from a necked UP 243 case. All the information I find is the opposite.

Wikipedia states that the 308 is the parent case.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.243_Winchester

Can you please provide sources for your statement? I'm curious on the history of these cartridges.

Yepper.

mcb · 11-23-2007, 07:04 PM

Personally I would feel just fine hunting with 223 if it was legal for me. Personally with good quality bullets in a rifle I shot well I would not hesitate to hunt deer with 223. Given that I live here in Ohio and thus have to hunt deer with a shotgun, come Monday I will be heading out with my good old Winchested 9410 shooting Brenneke 410 slugs. IMHO I see nothing wrong with carrying a light caliber gun if you a competent shooter and are willing to live with in the limitations of your choosen weapon.

mcb

Tomcat088 · 11-23-2007, 07:57 PM

scotty, thank you for the correction. I thought that the .243 came first, apparently that's not the case. I'll do a bit more research but I have heard several people say the .243 came first. I'll have to look into it a bit more, but from what I have found so far, you're correct.

Deadcenter · 11-23-2007, 08:22 PM

.22 cal is legal for deer, as long as it is centerfire. My dad used to kill deer with a .22LR way back when, it just takes some stalking skill and marksmanship! I would have no qualms about taking a deer with an AR - but you need the 5 rnd magazine.

*SA-XD4ME* · 11-23-2007, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Deadcenter

.22 cal is legal for deer, as long as it is centerfire. My dad used to kill deer with a .22LR way back when, it just takes some stalking skill and marksmanship! I would have no qualms about taking a deer with an AR - but you need the 5 rnd magazine.

This is the same in AR. I am going to call and ask if you can just put 5 in the 30 round mag? Probably not.

leeindy · 11-23-2007, 10:36 PM

put a plug in the mag an make it limited to 5 rounds. or you can get a bob sled to make it a single shot

ScottyPotty · 11-23-2007, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by *SA-XD4ME*

This is the same in AR. I am going to call and ask if you can just put 5 in the 30 round mag? Probably not.

here in ohio you have to plug your shotgun so you can only get 3 rounds in. If the game warden asks to see your gun and can put more than 3 shells in.....your introuble!

11-23-2007, 04:14 PM	#22
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11-23-2007, 07:04 PM	#25
mcb XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: North East Ohio Posts: 2,080	Personally I would feel just fine hunting with 223 if it was legal for me. Personally with good quality bullets in a rifle I shot well I would not hesitate to hunt deer with 223. Given that I live here in Ohio and thus have to hunt deer with a shotgun, come Monday I will be heading out with my good old Winchested 9410 shooting Brenneke 410 slugs. IMHO I see nothing wrong with carrying a light caliber gun if you a competent shooter and are willing to live with in the limitations of your choosen weapon. mcb __________________ If at first you don't succeed; RELOAD _ _ _ _ My web site

11-23-2007, 08:22 PM	#27
Deadcenter XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Trucking the USA Posts: 919	Here in Oregon: .22 cal is legal for deer, as long as it is centerfire. My dad used to kill deer with a .22LR way back when, it just takes some stalking skill and marksmanship! I would have no qualms about taking a deer with an AR - but you need the 5 rnd magazine.

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11-23-2007, 07:57 PM	#26
Tomcat088 XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Lubbock, Tx Posts: 688	scotty, thank you for the correction. I thought that the .243 came first, apparently that's not the case. I'll do a bit more research but I have heard several people say the .243 came first. I'll have to look into it a bit more, but from what I have found so far, you're correct.