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scalce · 11-06-2007, 06:32 AM

I have been on the fence about getting a comp as the guys in 3 gun with them blow out everyone's ear drums.

I thought they were abnoxious until I fired someone's AR with one and it was like night and day.

I have seen a few posts about this in our other discussion areas but wanted to start one here.

It looks like the Yellow Tavern Custom TTi Eliminator got the best ratings in a recent article.

I would like to think that my AR is also a HD weapon but in reality my pistols would be my go to weapon.

I know some people go for the Tactical/Competition muzzle brakes if they only have one AR which is my case.

If I had two it would be a no brainer to stick a comp on one but since this is my only weapon I am alittle hesitant to stick one on my range, HD, and 3 Gun AR.

ichy_trigger · 11-06-2007, 06:45 AM

I dont know how well this one works but when I built my Varmint upper, Im planning on using one.

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/sto...AR+COMPENSATOR

I have a cooley comp on my current upper and its amazing but LOUD

Badshot · 11-06-2007, 07:00 AM

Well there are a ton of options here.. from what Ichy linked to all the way out to local custom devices. As you've noticed and as Ichy noted as well, they are loud and you also have additional and focused concussion. I shoot a great deal with a buddy who has a Smith Vortex on his carbine and while I personally don't see a huge difference in the recoil or muzzle rise reduction, but the damn thing doesn't show much flash at all, even at dusk, he does how ever say that it's got good recoil reduction as well. I've learned to be 15-20 meters away from him if he's on the line at the same time I am.

So when I went looking for a solution to the A2 birdcage for my own weapons I wanted both a muzzle break and flash hider. While it might not be the uber duber device for either of those specific points, it does handle both fairly well. It's a compromise device.. I use the Phantom 5C1 from YMH .. the price was right for me so I bought two and have them on my two carbines. I've given thought to going with a dedicated break on my 20" AR, but after doing some run and dive in the dirt LR shots with it, I realized that the debris blast from the muzzle on the A2 BC was annoying as hell and could just see where something like the Vortex would both multiply that effect and add additional locater tell-tails.

If this is going to be a dedicated gun game weapon, then yeah, a break can be advantageous, for me there isn't enough typical rise or recoil in the AR 5.56 platform for that to be a serious requirement... for you.. dunno.. you'll have to decide, but I'd suggest that you do your research and really figure out what you are hoping to get out of the device. You can spend a lot of cash on something like this if you really want to.

YMH Phantom series:
http://www.yankeehillmachine.com/store/muzzle.html

Smith Enterprises:

http://www.smithenterprise.com/products07.html

Hooz · 11-06-2007, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ichy_trigger

I dont know how well this one works but when I built my Varmint upper, Im planning on using one.

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/sto...AR+COMPENSATOR

I have a cooley comp on my current upper and its amazing but LOUD

I shot that gun, and it is loud! But, it also worked REALLY well. So... I'm still getting one for my 3-gun AR.

scalce · 11-06-2007, 09:37 AM

Has anyone used a combo comp and flash hider from Primary Weapons Systems like the FSC556?

http://www.primaryweapons.com/store/...p?idCategory=2

**jnclement** · 11-06-2007, 09:42 AM

I've just resigned myself to only shooting with ear protection.

Liquid Rhino · 11-06-2007, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scalce

Has anyone used a combo comp and flash hider from Primary Weapons Systems like the FSC556?

I have one, but haven't used it yet. I'll let you know when I hit the range later this week.

hardwarz · 11-06-2007, 09:49 AM

3 gun and field gun, i say go for it. HD gun.... well, it's questionable.

Are you going to be working in teams? If so, the compensator might not be the best thing for you. The back blast of the gas into the face of the person you're working with might take them out of the fight, even for a second. That second might be the difference between life and death for you or them.

Hardwarz

John A. · 11-06-2007, 09:57 AM

I have a YHM on my MP5. I don't think it does all that well (at least in this platform) for reducing the muzzle flash, but I haven't noticed a change in sound when fired either way. Perhaps I'm already too deaf.

On the other hand, I do have a JP Compensator on my long barreled AR15 and though it works GREAT, it is obnoxiously loud. It's probably also not for a situation where stealth is concerned either as it directs most of the gasses to each side of the gun barrel and blind people could probably find you because of the dust and nearby tree limbs shaking resulting from the way the gasses are directed.

But if the above doesn't apply to you, then by all means, it's probably the best brake I've used bar none.

Edit to add link:
http://www.jprifles.com/1.4.2.php

**mvician** · 11-06-2007, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jnclement

I've just resigned myself to only shooting with ear protection.

hearing protection during any activity that produces LOUD noise is a no brainer

whether you think it is loud or not.

11-06-2007, 06:32 AM	#1
scalce XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Upstate SC Posts: 1,415	Let's Talk Compensators I have been on the fence about getting a comp as the guys in 3 gun with them blow out everyone's ear drums. I thought they were abnoxious until I fired someone's AR with one and it was like night and day. I have seen a few posts about this in our other discussion areas but wanted to start one here. It looks like the Yellow Tavern Custom TTi Eliminator got the best ratings in a recent article. I would like to think that my AR is also a HD weapon but in reality my pistols would be my go to weapon. I know some people go for the Tactical/Competition muzzle brakes if they only have one AR which is my case. If I had two it would be a no brainer to stick a comp on one but since this is my only weapon I am alittle hesitant to stick one on my range, HD, and 3 Gun AR.

11-06-2007, 06:45 AM	#2
ichy_trigger XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 7,533	I dont know how well this one works but when I built my Varmint upper, Im planning on using one. http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/sto...AR+COMPENSATOR I have a cooley comp on my current upper and its amazing but LOUD __________________ "The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." http://militarysignatures.com/signatures/member2645.png

11-06-2007, 07:00 AM	#3
Badshot XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,433	Well there are a ton of options here.. from what Ichy linked to all the way out to local custom devices. As you've noticed and as Ichy noted as well, they are loud and you also have additional and focused concussion. I shoot a great deal with a buddy who has a Smith Vortex on his carbine and while I personally don't see a huge difference in the recoil or muzzle rise reduction, but the damn thing doesn't show much flash at all, even at dusk, he does how ever say that it's got good recoil reduction as well. I've learned to be 15-20 meters away from him if he's on the line at the same time I am. So when I went looking for a solution to the A2 birdcage for my own weapons I wanted both a muzzle break and flash hider. While it might not be the uber duber device for either of those specific points, it does handle both fairly well. It's a compromise device.. I use the Phantom 5C1 from YMH .. the price was right for me so I bought two and have them on my two carbines. I've given thought to going with a dedicated break on my 20" AR, but after doing some run and dive in the dirt LR shots with it, I realized that the debris blast from the muzzle on the A2 BC was annoying as hell and could just see where something like the Vortex would both multiply that effect and add additional locater tell-tails. If this is going to be a dedicated gun game weapon, then yeah, a break can be advantageous, for me there isn't enough typical rise or recoil in the AR 5.56 platform for that to be a serious requirement... for you.. dunno.. you'll have to decide, but I'd suggest that you do your research and really figure out what you are hoping to get out of the device. You can spend a lot of cash on something like this if you really want to. YMH Phantom series: http://www.yankeehillmachine.com/store/muzzle.html Smith Enterprises: http://www.smithenterprise.com/products07.html __________________ --------------------- Stupidity should should be painful! On AR15's: Learn to use your Iron Sights before you go adding all that extra crap on your gun!

11-06-2007, 09:42 AM	#6
jnclement XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: West Texas Posts: 2,500	I've just resigned myself to only shooting with ear protection. __________________ Contrary to what sells magazines, not all of us are, or want to be SpecOps, SEAL, Recon, Delta, CQB, Ninja, firearm-knife-tactical-death-touch instructors.

11-06-2007, 09:49 AM	#8
hardwarz XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ak-Rowdy, North side Summit County (Akron, OH) Posts: 378	3 gun and field gun, i say go for it. HD gun.... well, it's questionable. Are you going to be working in teams? If so, the compensator might not be the best thing for you. The back blast of the gas into the face of the person you're working with might take them out of the fight, even for a second. That second might be the difference between life and death for you or them. Hardwarz __________________ Always remember the Menendez brothers legal defense, "Sometimes I miss my mom, but then I reload."

11-06-2007, 09:37 AM	#5
scalce XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Upstate SC Posts: 1,415	Has anyone used a combo comp and flash hider from Primary Weapons Systems like the FSC556? http://www.primaryweapons.com/store/...p?idCategory=2

11-06-2007, 09:57 AM	#9
John A. XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: KY Posts: 522	I have a YHM on my MP5. I don't think it does all that well (at least in this platform) for reducing the muzzle flash, but I haven't noticed a change in sound when fired either way. Perhaps I'm already too deaf. On the other hand, I do have a JP Compensator on my long barreled AR15 and though it works GREAT, it is obnoxiously loud. It's probably also not for a situation where stealth is concerned either as it directs most of the gasses to each side of the gun barrel and blind people could probably find you because of the dust and nearby tree limbs shaking resulting from the way the gasses are directed. But if the above doesn't apply to you, then by all means, it's probably the best brake I've used bar none. Edit to add link: http://www.jprifles.com/1.4.2.php __________________ "The 2nd Amendment wasn't adopted into the Constitution because the authors liked guns or the destruction they could cause, but to give ordinary citizens the ability to protect themselves and their family and to take up arms against anyone in a governmental position who tried to deny those fundamental and God given rights." Ecclesiastes 3: 1-8 Last edited by John A.; 11-06-2007 at 10:06 AM.

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