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ArmyGuy45 · 10-19-2007, 11:50 PM

ahh.. does it kick less than a M4?

Alaskapopo · 10-19-2007, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ArmyGuy45

ahh.. does it kick less than a M4?

No but using a gas piston instead of blowing gas directly into the chamber area it does not get dirty nearly as fast. I like the standard M4 but it craps where it eats so to speak. Direct gas guns are like that. They take the gas and push it directly into the bolt carrier to run the gun. That puts a lot of gunk inside the reciever. A gas piston gun does not. They run cleaner and cooler. You can fire a lot more rounds before a cleaning is needed with a gas piston design. Most military rifles employ gas pistols except the AR15 M4 series. For example the M14, AK 47, HK rifles ect all use gas pistons.
Pat

John A. · 10-19-2007, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

Also when Larry Vickers endorses something its good to listen.
Pat

Of course he's going to endorse it. He was one of several guys who worked on some of the R&D.

Not knocking his talents or experience but would you expect him not to endorse it knowing this?

The big question here, is the 416 any better than any other piston driven engine? If so, how and where?

ArmyGuy45 · 10-19-2007, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

No but using a gas piston instead of blowing gas directly into the chamber area it does not get dirty nearly as fast. I like the standard M4 but it craps where it eats so to speak. Direct gas guns are like that. They take the gas and push it directly into the bolt carrier to run the gun. That puts a lot of gunk inside the reciever. A gas piston gun does not. They run cleaner and cooler. You can fire a lot more rounds before a cleaning is needed with a gas piston design. Most military rifles employ gas pistols except the AR15 M4 series. For example the M14, AK 47, HK rifles ect all use gas pistons.
Pat

ok.. so before where the piston is.. how do you clean the gunk that is there?

John A. · 10-20-2007, 12:06 AM

Army guy,
It would seem to clean the gunk in the piston area, a field strip would be in order

(I can think of times that could be bad) though with having no more experience with the H&K version than anyone else here, is just a guess.

Alaskapopo · 10-20-2007, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by John A.

Of course he's going to endorse it. He was one of several guys who worked on some of the R&D.

Not knocking his talents or experience but would you expect him not to endorse it knowing this?

The big question here, is the 416 any better than any other piston driven engine? If so, how and where?

Its the only combat proven piston going right now. Also POF has had some issues from what I hear of late. Also if Vickers was one of the guys to R&D it you know its going to be good.
Pat

Alaskapopo · 10-20-2007, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ArmyGuy45

ok.. so before where the piston is.. how do you clean the gunk that is there?

Its where the gas tube would usually be under the forward hand guards and like any piston weapon you will not have to clean in there very often at all.
Pat

KEVWYO · 10-20-2007, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by John A.

Someone likes Kool aid WAAAY too much.

Guess I like the Kool Aid to because I would buy one right now if the money was available.

EricCartmann · 10-20-2007, 02:31 AM

XCR's are just as accurate as AR's

XCR's barrels are easy to swap out (just an allen bolt)

XCR's has multi caliber capabilities (just a bolt swap and quick barrel change)

XCR's has an integrated one peice rail upper

XCR's kicks less than AR's

XCR's runs a lot cooler and a lot cleaner because of the piston

XCR's are $1400

Why do I want an HK 416?

bigun · 10-20-2007, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

Its something I have come to learn over the years. Buy quality up front and cry once (initial sticker shock). Buy crap and cry cry cry later on.
Also when Larry Vickers endorses something its good to listen.
Pat

Agreed When your life may be on the line is it worth another $1000? I would say yes.

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John A. XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: KY Posts: 676	Army guy, It would seem to clean the gunk in the piston area, a field strip would be in order (I can think of times that could be bad) though with having no more experience with the H&K version than anyone else here, is just a guess. __________________ "The 2nd Amendment wasn't adopted into the Constitution because the authors liked guns or the destruction they could cause, but to give ordinary citizens the ability to protect themselves and their family and to take up arms against anyone in a governmental position who tried to deny those fundamental and God given rights." Ecclesiastes 3: 1-8 Last edited by John A.; 10-20-2007 at 12:10 AM.

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10-20-2007, 02:31 AM	#19
EricCartmann XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: My Mom's Basement Posts: 1,398	XCR's are just as accurate as AR's XCR's barrels are easy to swap out (just an allen bolt) XCR's has multi caliber capabilities (just a bolt swap and quick barrel change) XCR's has an integrated one peice rail upper XCR's kicks less than AR's XCR's runs a lot cooler and a lot cleaner because of the piston XCR's are $1400 Why do I want an HK 416?