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chrisxd45t · 10-16-2007, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thejoe

...in case the SKS goes belly up...

unheard of.

You're right though, if you have a SKS, and are on a budget but still want other guns, you don't need an AK right away. The AK is lighter but the SKS is more accurate from what I've seen. Besides, you probably want a major cartridge anyway.

panther308 · 10-16-2007, 07:32 PM

Had a DPMS LR-308B and sold it off as I personally started having alot of feed/function issues had to send it back, when I got it back it was better but not a 100 % so I sold it off for a SA M1A which after pushing about 2500 thru it in the last 2 months has been without a single failure of any kind if you shop around you may be able to find a used one for about $900
I really need to change the panther308 thing as I no longer own it

Tx1911 · 10-16-2007, 07:49 PM

Mags for an AR-10 ain't cheap. You would be better off getting an M1A and you can find mags cheaper ( not as cheap as AR-15 ... be cheaper than say a DPMS mag ).

**dsr30** · 10-16-2007, 08:28 PM

if you like the 7.62 round you could go with an ar in the shorter 7.62x39. one of them is on the "to buy" list.

thejoe · 10-17-2007, 12:06 AM

I want a major round that will be accurate to a little longer distance than the SKS/7.62. From what I've heard, the SKS can only really be trusted to around 200 yds (I've heard that good marksmen can't shoot better than 3" groups at 100 yds with it, so I'd guess 200 yds would be pushing it). So, I'd like a major (ie common) caliber rifle (semi-auto) that will cover that range with a little more precision. The AR-15 is it, I think. So, I'll just save my pennies.

devilslayer · 10-17-2007, 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanTheEldest

Anybody heard if RRA ever got their .308 AR off the ground? Last I heard they were still working out some teething problems.

didnt rra buy the plans for thier 308's from bushmaster,,the design that just wouldnt work for them??? they look like great rifles though..

KEVWYO · 10-17-2007, 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panther308

Had a DPMS LR-308B and sold it off as I personally started having alot of feed/function issues had to send it back, when I got it back it was better but not a 100 % so I sold it off for a SA M1A which after pushing about 2500 thru it in the last 2 months has been without a single failure of any kind if you shop around you may be able to find a used one for about $900
I really need to change the panther308 thing as I no longer own it

As I read this thread I was kinda wondering about what people here would choose between an AR-10 and a M1A. Having an AR -15 now and loving the look of the M1A/Garand look I'd be inclined to go M1A? What does everyone else think?

panther308 · 10-17-2007, 06:44 AM

I have had a couple of diffrent semi .308 (STG58 FAL, DPMS, etc..) and now I own a SA M1A yes it cost me about $1200 but in return I have a rifle that is of pretty simple design not alot of parts to break and built on the M14 Design (can't afford a real M14, Like I said I have pushed alot of ammo thru the tube with NO FAILURES!! of any kind with various ammo brands and it has a lifetime warranty from SA

rogerxd45 · 10-17-2007, 07:12 AM

i would personally go with an springfield before i got the ar-10

EricCartmann · 10-17-2007, 12:37 PM

To summarize why the FAL should be your SHTF rifle (in No particuliar order):

1) 7.62 (to take down big game, and huge trolls, like the ones in "The Hobbit")
2) Cheap Mags
3) Not particuliar to Mags (whatever mag you get will work)
4) Will eat any ammo you feed it
5) adjustable gas system
6) Reliable as hell
7) easy to clean

I would go with an FAL before the M1A or the AR-10. M1A's are fun shooters but are hard to scope and the design just seems outdated to me, and I don't think it is as simple as an FAL. Just to have the right to scope an M1A will cost you about $200-$300. That is the amount you have to pay even before you buy the scope and rings.

I would also trust the FAL to be more reliable. You guys ever heard of "ol dirty"? He is an FAL in the FAL forum that is currently at 13,000 round count and his still not been cleaned and he is still just as accurate as the clean FAL's he goes up against. My experience my FAL has never jammed ever (with 20 round mags).

.308 AR's would appear to be the way to go, since AR's are very modular and the platform just kicks ass when it comes to ergos... but the mag prices are ridiculous and it seems some of the .308 AR's are particular to ammo. An FAL will eat any ammo it gets (since it has an adjustable gas system). My buddies AR-10 won't reliably feed South African. To me if a rifle can't reliably shoot surplus ammo, it will never be a designated SHTF rifle, just a range toy.

FAL mags are also only $5 a pop. Not just that but my FAL has never met a Mag it did not like. Even mags that in appearance appears to be unusable are totally reliable (like some I got from interordnance with big dents in them). My M1A seems to be very particuliar to mags. A mag can appear to be perfect in looks and function but yet for some strange reasson my M1A will reject it. My M1A only likes CMI USGI and T57 mags. These mags are $25 and $20 each respectively (cheaper in bulk).

10-16-2007, 07:32 PM	#12
panther308 XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 566	Had a DPMS LR-308B and sold it off as I personally started having alot of feed/function issues had to send it back, when I got it back it was better but not a 100 % so I sold it off for a SA M1A which after pushing about 2500 thru it in the last 2 months has been without a single failure of any kind if you shop around you may be able to find a used one for about $900 I really need to change the panther308 thing as I no longer own it __________________ panther308 Always Remember: A firearm is only an instrument. It contains no evil, no conscience, and no ability. It is strictly the intent, competence, and character of its user that decide the outcome of any and all actions taken with it.

10-16-2007, 07:49 PM	#13
Tx1911 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: TEXAS Posts: 182	re: Mags for an AR-10 ain't cheap. You would be better off getting an M1A and you can find mags cheaper ( not as cheap as AR-15 ... be cheaper than say a DPMS mag ). __________________ Springfield Armory 1911-A1 TRP SS .45acp Springfield Armory XD 45 Compact Glock 17

10-16-2007, 08:28 PM	#14
dsr30 XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: VA Posts: 524	if you like the 7.62 round you could go with an ar in the shorter 7.62x39. one of them is on the "to buy" list. __________________ XD9 Service

10-17-2007, 12:06 AM	#15
thejoe XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Moscow, ID. Posts: 815	I want a major round that will be accurate to a little longer distance than the SKS/7.62. From what I've heard, the SKS can only really be trusted to around 200 yds (I've heard that good marksmen can't shoot better than 3" groups at 100 yds with it, so I'd guess 200 yds would be pushing it). So, I'd like a major (ie common) caliber rifle (semi-auto) that will cover that range with a little more precision. The AR-15 is it, I think. So, I'll just save my pennies. __________________ SA XD-40 Service S&W SW9VE Kel-Tec P3AT Walther P22 Norinco SKS

10-17-2007, 06:44 AM	#18
panther308 XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 566	I have had a couple of diffrent semi .308 (STG58 FAL, DPMS, etc..) and now I own a SA M1A yes it cost me about $1200 but in return I have a rifle that is of pretty simple design not alot of parts to break and built on the M14 Design (can't afford a real M14, Like I said I have pushed alot of ammo thru the tube with NO FAILURES!! of any kind with various ammo brands and it has a lifetime warranty from SA __________________ panther308 Always Remember: A firearm is only an instrument. It contains no evil, no conscience, and no ability. It is strictly the intent, competence, and character of its user that decide the outcome of any and all actions taken with it.

10-17-2007, 07:12 AM	#19
rogerxd45 XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: boise ID (its boy-see, not boy-z) Posts: 3,592	i would personally go with an springfield before i got the ar-10

10-17-2007, 12:37 PM	#20
EricCartmann XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: My Mom's Basement Posts: 1,398	To summarize why the FAL should be your SHTF rifle (in No particuliar order): 1) 7.62 (to take down big game, and huge trolls, like the ones in "The Hobbit") 2) Cheap Mags 3) Not particuliar to Mags (whatever mag you get will work) 4) Will eat any ammo you feed it 5) adjustable gas system 6) Reliable as hell 7) easy to clean I would go with an FAL before the M1A or the AR-10. M1A's are fun shooters but are hard to scope and the design just seems outdated to me, and I don't think it is as simple as an FAL. Just to have the right to scope an M1A will cost you about $200-$300. That is the amount you have to pay even before you buy the scope and rings. I would also trust the FAL to be more reliable. You guys ever heard of "ol dirty"? He is an FAL in the FAL forum that is currently at 13,000 round count and his still not been cleaned and he is still just as accurate as the clean FAL's he goes up against. My experience my FAL has never jammed ever (with 20 round mags). .308 AR's would appear to be the way to go, since AR's are very modular and the platform just kicks ass when it comes to ergos... but the mag prices are ridiculous and it seems some of the .308 AR's are particular to ammo. An FAL will eat any ammo it gets (since it has an adjustable gas system). My buddies AR-10 won't reliably feed South African. To me if a rifle can't reliably shoot surplus ammo, it will never be a designated SHTF rifle, just a range toy. FAL mags are also only $5 a pop. Not just that but my FAL has never met a Mag it did not like. Even mags that in appearance appears to be unusable are totally reliable (like some I got from interordnance with big dents in them). My M1A seems to be very particuliar to mags. A mag can appear to be perfect in looks and function but yet for some strange reasson my M1A will reject it. My M1A only likes CMI USGI and T57 mags. These mags are $25 and $20 each respectively (cheaper in bulk).

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