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**nikon777** · 10-04-2007, 12:35 PM

Lubrication Issues "Gee, you mean that now they agree that heavy lube is better?
There is more to the story, but the gist is correct".

http://www.militarytimes.com/news/20...cation_070716/

Heavy lubrication shown to improve M16, M4 effectiveness

By Matthew Cox - Staff writer
Posted : Monday Jul 16, 2007 17:34:05 EDT

Army weapons officials might have found a way to improve the M16 family’s performance in the desert.

“Dust chamber” tests at Aberdeen Proving Ground, Md., last year show that M16 rifles and M4 carbines perform dramatically better when the weapon’s bolt assembly is heavily lubricated.

During each phase of the two-part “system assessment” at Army Test and Evaluation Command, testers fired 60,000 rounds through 10 weapon samples of each model.

Treated with light lubrication, new M16A4s and M4s, performed poorly in the extreme dust and sand conditions of the test, according to a January report from ATEC.

But when testers applied a heavy coat of lubrication to the weapons, the test results showed a “significant improvement.”

Out of the 60,000 rounds fired in each phase, the M4 stoppage-rate dropped from 9,836 with light lubrication to 678 with heavy lubrication.

The M16A4 stoppage-rate dropped from 2,124 with light lubrication to 507 with heavy lubrication, results show.

For years, Army weapons officials have preached to soldiers to virtues of applying a light coat of lubrication during weapons maintenance.

But the test results reinforce a recent change in weapons maintenance guidance Army units are practicing in Iraq and Afghanistan, said Col. Carl Lipsit, project manager for Soldier Weapons.

At the request of Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., the Army will conduct a similar dust-chamber test in August, pitting the M4 against the Heckler and Koch 416, the H&K XM8 and FNH USA’s Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle.

All of the participating weapons will be treated with a heavy coat of lubrication during the test, Lipsit said.
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**PackerfanXD** · 10-04-2007, 01:16 PM

I agree. I just posted the same statement a few minutes ago on a different thread. Wetter is better.

**mvician** · 10-05-2007, 12:21 AM

Just remember to bring windex and some towels to clean you glasses

Jmanwit · 10-05-2007, 01:52 AM

I'll have to remember that..

Bidah · 10-05-2007, 05:53 AM

I was taught this years ago, but it is funny how they are just now figuring this out..

Numerous times I have helped people with their AR's having issues at the range by adding lube to the bolt as it was dry. Problem solved.

**Badshot** · 10-05-2007, 06:02 AM

Just remember what 120MM said in the other thread.. the BCG shouldn't be dripping wet.. just enough that it doesn't drip and that you can draw in it with your finger..

GrovenSpringer · 10-07-2007, 11:02 AM

I like to slather mine down with CLP. Yeah, don't forget the Windex! Happy shooting!

10-04-2007, 12:35 PM	#1
nikon777 XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Cleveland, OH. The Danger Zone. Posts: 6,750	Wetter is Better. Lubrication Issues "Gee, you mean that now they agree that heavy lube is better? There is more to the story, but the gist is correct". http://www.militarytimes.com/news/20...cation_070716/ Heavy lubrication shown to improve M16, M4 effectiveness By Matthew Cox - Staff writer Posted : Monday Jul 16, 2007 17:34:05 EDT Army weapons officials might have found a way to improve the M16 family’s performance in the desert. “Dust chamber” tests at Aberdeen Proving Ground, Md., last year show that M16 rifles and M4 carbines perform dramatically better when the weapon’s bolt assembly is heavily lubricated. During each phase of the two-part “system assessment” at Army Test and Evaluation Command, testers fired 60,000 rounds through 10 weapon samples of each model. Treated with light lubrication, new M16A4s and M4s, performed poorly in the extreme dust and sand conditions of the test, according to a January report from ATEC. But when testers applied a heavy coat of lubrication to the weapons, the test results showed a “significant improvement.” Out of the 60,000 rounds fired in each phase, the M4 stoppage-rate dropped from 9,836 with light lubrication to 678 with heavy lubrication. The M16A4 stoppage-rate dropped from 2,124 with light lubrication to 507 with heavy lubrication, results show. For years, Army weapons officials have preached to soldiers to virtues of applying a light coat of lubrication during weapons maintenance. But the test results reinforce a recent change in weapons maintenance guidance Army units are practicing in Iraq and Afghanistan, said Col. Carl Lipsit, project manager for Soldier Weapons. At the request of Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., the Army will conduct a similar dust-chamber test in August, pitting the M4 against the Heckler and Koch 416, the H&K XM8 and FNH USA’s Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle. All of the participating weapons will be treated with a heavy coat of lubrication during the test, Lipsit said. __________________ __________________ Clinging bitterly to guns and religion since 1977.. My Blogspot.

10-04-2007, 01:16 PM	#2
PackerfanXD XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ground zero of the invasion Posts: 6,875 Blog Entries: 1	I agree. I just posted the same statement a few minutes ago on a different thread. Wetter is better. __________________ An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject. -Author unknown.

10-05-2007, 12:21 AM	#3
mvician XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,603	Just remember to bring windex and some towels to clean you glasses __________________ AR15s...ya I've built more than a few http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/ar-talk...ar-family.html

10-05-2007, 01:52 AM	#4
Jmanwit XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Southern Kalifornia Posts: 1,198	I'll have to remember that.. __________________ Everyone else hase one... http://jmanwit.blogspot.com/ *God Doesn't Let The Angels Die...* Springfield Armory Xtreme Duty .45 ACP The .45 ACP - 230 grains of freedom! Remington 870 Security 12 gauge M1 Garand "The single greatest battle implement ever devised by man" - A great American

10-05-2007, 05:53 AM	#5
Bidah XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Isolated, Montana Posts: 683	I was taught this years ago, but it is funny how they are just now figuring this out.. Numerous times I have helped people with their AR's having issues at the range by adding lube to the bolt as it was dry. Problem solved. __________________ -Bidah “The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.” The Doctor

10-05-2007, 06:02 AM	#6
Badshot XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,430	Just remember what 120MM said in the other thread.. the BCG shouldn't be dripping wet.. just enough that it doesn't drip and that you can draw in it with your finger.. __________________ --------------------- Stupidity should should be painful! On AR15's: Learn to use your Iron Sights before you go adding all that extra crap on your gun!

10-07-2007, 11:02 AM	#7
GrovenSpringer XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 154	I like to slather mine down with CLP. Yeah, don't forget the Windex! Happy shooting! __________________ You really should take me seriously, I have eleven reasons why you should! Ron Paul for president!

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