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**mvician** · 10-02-2007, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T.J.

a lot of play in the collapsable stock, im not sure if this is normal or not

Normal
M4 and carbine stocks all rattle, some more than others.

longtalltechsan · 10-02-2007, 08:45 PM

I just ordered a RRA last week. It should be here tomorrow. The dealer I spoke with also carries LMT and Stag. I asked him what his opinions were of what he carries. He said that of all 3, he sends far fewer RRA's back to the factory for work to be done. He told me this is especially so for the LMT. This guy has a great rep and I have limited knowledge so I took his word for it. The RRA is cheaper than the LMT and I figure if he was jerking me around he would tell me that LMT is the best so he can make more money.

marvin74 · 10-02-2007, 09:09 PM

remember when dealing with sales people just to say the lmt may cost him 550 and he sales it for 650 thats a 100.00 profit then he gets the rra his cost 225 and sales it for 525 that profit is 300 witch one do you think he is going to try to sale i bet the higher profit the prices are just for info only not real pricing just my 2cents

**Loves2Shoot** · 10-02-2007, 09:14 PM

Had on Olympic bolt break during a big match, not a good experience.

120mm · 10-03-2007, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T.J.

the upper and lower seem to be very tight on the one i have but thier is a lot of play in the collapsable stock, im not sure if this is normal or not, but i am eventually planning on replacing it with a Dark earth collapsable stock Vltor clubfoot carbine stock

That "could" be the result of a mix of milspec and non-milspec stock parts. It happens.

xd4life · 10-03-2007, 02:55 AM

My RRA has been great, I have had it over a year and it has been one sweet ass rifle..

It will get a test in Nov when my Dad visits and shoots a carbine match with us using the same rifle.

FatMatt1981 · 10-03-2007, 07:24 AM

If they're suppose to be truly MILSPEC....aren't they all suppose to be roughly the same?? That's kinda bugged me a little bit...

Badshot · 10-03-2007, 07:37 AM

OK this has been beaten to death, but there are VERY few civilian available "MILSPEC" weapons. The AR's we typically buy are not true "MILSPEC" for a few reasons, but the reason these manufacturers say they use "MILSPEC" parts is because they do, parts that is. The entire rifle is not so don't drink the Cool-aid.

Things will break and that is a fact of life with any machine. RRA has a good rep now, but ya never know... they are growing fast and things slip when that happens. STAG has the same potential issue and I'd bet that LMT is having that issue right now. They are all going to have issues at some point. So don't just buy into things like "MILSPEC" ect.. and there are absolutely some vendors who will be honest about which brands have needed to get serviced a bit more, but ask them then about the cyclic nature of those returns. If they've been seeing them go through it periodically then there is a bigger issue, if there was a few month run, then most likely they've corrected the production issue.

niteranger68 · 10-03-2007, 08:22 AM

My AR15 / M4A3 will either be an RRA or a Bushmaster. No exceptions.

Badshot · 10-03-2007, 09:10 AM

I think you'd be closing yourself off to some other very good vendors in the same pricing and quality ranges. STAG comes to mind, Bravo Company as well.

10-02-2007, 08:45 PM	#22
longtalltechsan XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 3,012	I just ordered a RRA last week. It should be here tomorrow. The dealer I spoke with also carries LMT and Stag. I asked him what his opinions were of what he carries. He said that of all 3, he sends far fewer RRA's back to the factory for work to be done. He told me this is especially so for the LMT. This guy has a great rep and I have limited knowledge so I took his word for it. The RRA is cheaper than the LMT and I figure if he was jerking me around he would tell me that LMT is the best so he can make more money. __________________ Gun owner's prayer.... "Oh Lord, if I die, please don't let my wife sell my guns for what I told her they cost."

10-02-2007, 09:14 PM	#24
Loves2Shoot XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bend, OR Posts: 2,834	Had on Olympic bolt break during a big match, not a good experience. __________________ www.SpringerPrecision.com The XD Specialists - Our web store is now online!

10-03-2007, 02:55 AM	#26
xd4life XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Back in HOTLANTA Posts: 2,251	My RRA has been great, I have had it over a year and it has been one sweet ass rifle.. It will get a test in Nov when my Dad visits and shoots a carbine match with us using the same rifle. __________________ "A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well." Rick Hebert "The best victory is when the opponent surrenders of its own accord before there are any actual hostilities.... It is best to win without fighting." Sun-tzu 300 B.C Bob Barr FOR PRESIDENT

10-03-2007, 07:24 AM	#27
FatMatt1981 XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,467	If they're suppose to be truly MILSPEC....aren't they all suppose to be roughly the same?? That's kinda bugged me a little bit... __________________ \"Through strength, we deter tyranny\" ICVM OD XD-40 4\" Black on black XD-9 4\"

10-03-2007, 07:37 AM	#28
Badshot XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,433	OK this has been beaten to death, but there are VERY few civilian available "MILSPEC" weapons. The AR's we typically buy are not true "MILSPEC" for a few reasons, but the reason these manufacturers say they use "MILSPEC" parts is because they do, parts that is. The entire rifle is not so don't drink the Cool-aid. Things will break and that is a fact of life with any machine. RRA has a good rep now, but ya never know... they are growing fast and things slip when that happens. STAG has the same potential issue and I'd bet that LMT is having that issue right now. They are all going to have issues at some point. So don't just buy into things like "MILSPEC" ect.. and there are absolutely some vendors who will be honest about which brands have needed to get serviced a bit more, but ask them then about the cyclic nature of those returns. If they've been seeing them go through it periodically then there is a bigger issue, if there was a few month run, then most likely they've corrected the production issue. __________________ --------------------- Stupidity should should be painful! On AR15's: Learn to use your Iron Sights before you go adding all that extra crap on your gun!

10-02-2007, 09:09 PM	#23
marvin74 XDTalk Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 31	remember when dealing with sales people just to say the lmt may cost him 550 and he sales it for 650 thats a 100.00 profit then he gets the rra his cost 225 and sales it for 525 that profit is 300 witch one do you think he is going to try to sale i bet the higher profit the prices are just for info only not real pricing just my 2cents

10-03-2007, 08:22 AM	#29
niteranger68 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NC Posts: 286	My AR15 / M4A3 will either be an RRA or a Bushmaster. No exceptions. __________________ Niteranger68 Springfield XD40 Service Bersa Thunder UC-SS 9mm Beretta PX4 9mm (F) Mossberg 500 Tactical 12 Ga Ruger 10/22 SS Titan Tiger .38 Cal NRA/GOA

10-03-2007, 09:10 AM	#30
Badshot XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,433	I think you'd be closing yourself off to some other very good vendors in the same pricing and quality ranges. STAG comes to mind, Bravo Company as well. __________________ --------------------- Stupidity should should be painful! On AR15's: Learn to use your Iron Sights before you go adding all that extra crap on your gun!

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