Colt & OSHA

[Saggin]

A few months ago I bought this really well built pistol that was made in Croatia has any else bought one of these?

[Puppy]

I am long retired, but I remember OHSA coming to our factory. More often than not, their "fix" created more hazards than they cured.

We used small containers of solvent for washing parts. They demanded we put foot pedals to open and automatically close the containers. People started banging their shins on the foot pedals.

I used to collect examples of government idiocies. You wouldn't believe how idiotic they could be.

One of my favorites was requiring bridge construction workers to wear life jackets. Even though the river had been diverted and the clumsy jackets made it more likely they would fall and kill or hurt themselves hitting the ground. But by gawd the rules said workers must wear life jackets when working on bridges.

The there is the zoo which occurs when two agencies oppose each other. One agency required big trucks to install loud back up sirens. Another made the workers wear hearing protectors because the sirens were too loud.

Once bureaucrats get in the picture safety and common sense leaves and costs rise.

[nick__45]

Originally Posted by oklawall

they will just pass the fines on to the consumer

Be on a lookout for special collectible edition 1911A1, AR15, Single Six, and others. Quality would be the same or much less but has special stamp worthy of 300% price markup.

[nick__45]

Originally Posted by griz

Maybe it's my generation but please remind me when TOYOTA was an AMERICAN owned company? Just where do those profits go? Just who really benefits from a JAPANESE based company growing so large on sales in a foreign country? Didn't these folks decide to have a WAR with us at one time? Why? Funny that now, it's not so much by force as it was originally to now letting us do it to ourselves.

Don't care if every AMERICAN built car had the worst reputation on the planet. I wouldn't buy ANY foreign owned/made vehicle for any reason. I speak ENGLISH and I shouldn't have to press 2 to hear it, I won't own an AK because it symbolizes everything COMMUNISTIC there is (don't give a rats @ss if it goes bang everytime, even in the mud). I spend my money where I make it. I support OUR economy by buying AMERICAN at every opportunity.

As consumers, we want more, want it faster, want an endless supply of it, and want it cheaper yet we want to reward our workers less for supplying it. It we can't do it, then let's give our money to a foreign country for it and build THEIR economy! Gee... that makes perfect sense.

You Sir are living in a can a expired soup. This is America and we believe in taking care of Number #1 (our wallet.) Most of us spend money on what is a better deal. Toyota are made here in the U.S. by American and not by Mexican or Canadian. And another note on America - we reward those who do well regardless of gender, race, or national origin. It is a modern America so get used to it.

[nikon777]

Originally Posted by Saggin

A few months ago I bought this really well built pistol that was made in Croatia has any else bought one of these?

The croats are known for putting out crap, get rid of it. Now I hear those Austrians make a fine pistol.

[griz]

Originally Posted by nick__45

You Sir are living in a can a expired soup. This is America and we believe in taking care of Number #1 (our wallet.) Most of us spend money on what is a better deal. Toyota are made here in the U.S. by American and not by Mexican or Canadian. And another note on America - we reward those who do well regardless of gender, race, or national origin. It is a modern America so get used to it.

I live in an America that is but a shadow of what it was just 20 years ago. By taking care of #1 (your wallet), you'll find yourself stepping in #2. A better deal today is likely to bite you in your @ss tomorrow.

We need to protect our American companies and keep them on US soil. Our consumer dollars need to be kept in the loop. Toyota may be making trucks here but where do the profit dollars go?

All the arguments about Unionism seems to typically turn to the automotive industry and the UAW because it affects just about everyone. America doesn't make a bad automobile. In fact, Buick customer satisfaction and quality recently surpassed Toyota. Funny thing is, China revers Buicks and is a huge seller over there. Here in the US, it's not trendy to buy American. Toyota trucks gas mileage used to be a big selling point but have consistently fallen over the past 4 years and now are comparatively similar to full size US trucks.

My mother is a nationalized Korean and my father American born & raised. I'm in no way prejudiced against foreign auto makers simply because they are foreign. I don't believe the US makes an inferior automobile and they certainly aren't more expensive by any comparison. I'm slightly offended by your racist remark but I choose to overlook your short sightedness.

It baffles me that the "gun" culture crowd is so typically conservative and very often patriotic to the core yet is so willing to sell our country out piece by piece to foreign countries. What happened to taking care of our own? When did it become an "all about me" culture? What about doing what's best for ALL of us?

I am one that will refuse to cave in and join the "all about me" crowd by buying any foreign automobile. It's a principle issue and a line that cannot be crossed as far as I'm concerned. In short, I refuse to be part of the problem.

[XDAndMe]

Originally Posted by griz

I don't recall where any employer, union or not, guaranteed any particular job not to suck. By definition, a JOB does suck. You took the job, you had the right to quit the job. Whether it sucked or not is irrelevant to it being union or not.

I would also rather keep all the money the IRS takes (and fully believes belongs to them) out of my paycheck. They take it for any number of reasons without my true consent but there are benefits to willingly agreeing with the deductions.

I didn't feel like I needed the union at all and would rather have not been part of it, but that's personal. I did not depend on that job for my livelihood. In fact, I'm convinced that if that job was my main source of income still, that I would still rather be a non union-member. Management there loved me and the quality of work I put in afforded me merit with the higher-ups. I had a very flexible schedule and they would bend over backwards for me because I was good at my job, my customer service was always excellent, the customers knew me, I was very dependable and I did just about everything there at one point or another in the 5 years of my employment. I was there as other employees came and went like nothing.

I have no problem with your desire to be in a union. That's a personal preference. I'm just saying that I felt like the union there was useless to me because I didn't need them. They were just taking my money. Yes, the job was tedious and hard, I didn't like it most of the time, but I gave it my best and I think that put me in a better position.

[Puppy]

Originally Posted by griz

We need to protect our American companies and keep them on US soil. Our consumer dollars need to be kept in the loop. Toyota may be making trucks here but where do the profit dollars go?

In fact, Buick customer satisfaction and quality recently surpassed Toyota. Funny thing is, China revers Buicks and is a huge seller over there. Here in the US, it's not trendy to buy American. Toyota trucks gas mileage used to be a big selling point but have consistently fallen over the past 4 years and now are comparatively similar to full size US trucks.

Possibly what you say is true. Bur what about the period from the 1960's until recently when American cars were crap, because they had no competition? Unions demanded outrageous salaries and the management caved in because they had no competition.

Then along came Japan and produced far better quality cars at superior prices. They darn near destroyed the U.S auto industry. (and still may.)

Screw it! An intelligent person will buy the best made product at the best price. For me that means that my last 8 cars were: Honda, Toyota, Toyota, Masda, Masda, Lincoln, Lincoln, Lexus.

[XDAndMe]

Originally Posted by Puppy

An intelligent person will buy the best made product at the best price. For me that means that my last 8 cars were: Honda, Toyota, Toyota, Masda, Masda, Lincoln, Lincoln, Lexus.

+1

Although if you really researched and owned two Mazdas, hopefully you know it's spelled with a "z" and not an "s." j/k

[120mm]

Originally Posted by griz

Your statement, while correct, has nothing to do with the point I was making. A union shop would not have put up with any dangerous conditions to the workers such as high lead levels, unsanitary conditions, poor working conditions. These working conditions are exactly why Unions were started! To protect the workers RIGHTS and to be treated like humans.

As for Unions costing more to the consumer, only if the owners continue to pile on the profits to their personal bank accounts. Gee... mansions, fancy cars, personal jets and villas in Italy... damn the workers! Let them eat cake!!

I'm as conservative as they come and yes, I'm a member of a national Union. I don't like a LOT of the ideals my Union expects me to regurgitate without question, HOWEVER, I'm paid a very FAIR wage base and benefit package for my training and level of expertise. I make my company a fair amount of money on a daily basis and I feel I earn my keep. Would I do it for less? I sure wouldn't want to and I shouldn't have to but if I worked for a non-Union company doing the same thing, they would charge the consumer the same amount for the same service the main difference being the company owner would keep more of the profit margin. Fair? Yeah, right.

Every non-Union worker in America has benefitted from the Unions. They have brought the wage base up for everyone to increase their standard of living. Thank the Unions for a 5 day 40hr work week and overtime standards. Working conditions have improved due to Unions. The list goes on.

The idealism of Unions isn't a bad one for the worker. It has been abused as of lately. We could go back to the day without Unions and deal with abusive employers, poor working conditions, poor wages, no overtime benefits, etc. Gee... where do I sign up for that??

Unions were pushed for a long time before they became legal. Shockingly, they became legal ONLY AFTER labor had already won most of the benefits by being in short supply that unions claim to take credit for.

As a conservative, you don't mind a significant amount of the money which is stolen from you by the Unions going to Liberal causes, do you? You don't mind the completely illegal, but winked at by law enforcement political contributions to liberal causes and parties, do you?

I smell a hypocrite, here.