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*SA-XD4ME* · 09-23-2007, 11:34 PM

I was told that colt is selling M16 bolt carriers on their civilian AR15's.

a little help on this subject. from what i gather on the net. it has been beaten into the ground with discussion, but no definate answers.

120mm · 09-23-2007, 11:45 PM

They are legal. SOME parts companies won't sell them to you out of pure whimpiness.

**Badshot** · 09-24-2007, 06:49 AM

The BCG doesn't make it a machine gun, why would the part be illegal?

**Ed Ely** · 09-24-2007, 09:30 AM

The position of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobaco And Firearms
(ATF) is that if your AR15 type rifle contains even (1) one

M16 component, it is a Machine Gun.

Of the five part components which make this difference
are the hammer, safety selector lever, trigger, disconnector
and the BOLT CARRIER! Does that cover it?

Ed

**mvician** · 09-24-2007, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Ely

The position of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobaco And Firearms
(ATF) is that if your AR15 type rifle contains even (1) one

M16 component, it is a Machine Gun.

Of the five part components which make this difference
are the hammer, safety selector lever, trigger, disconnector
and the BOLT CARRIER! Does that cover it?

Ed

WRONG answer

Several companies ship complete AR's with M16 carriers

http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=123&t=341156

**Ed Ely** · 09-24-2007, 10:21 AM

This is right from the horse's mouth at
Colt. I just called and talked to a CSR
by the name of Paul.

For questions, additional information or any other issues, please contact us at:

COLT'S MANUFACTURING COMPANY LLC
Customer Service Department
P.O. Box 1868
Hartford, CT
06144-1868 U.S.A.

Tel: 1-800-962-COLT
Fax: (860) 244-1449

COLT'S MANUFACTURING COMPANY LLC
P.O. Box 1868
Hartford, CT
06144-1868 U.S.A.

Tel: (860) 236-6311
Fax: (860) 244-1442

CMC
2 Talcott Road
West Hartford, CT

Paul said that Colt is shipping the M16 bolt carrier
in all their 'Match Target' AR15s. However, he said that
the factory was machining the pin slot of said carrier
before it the left production area for installation in the
designed 'Match Target' rifles. That of course means that
the assembly cannot be used as a MG part. He said that
all of the 'Match Target' rifles come with the M16 bolt carrier
(modified).

I did not call but one other AR15 manufacturer, Bushmaster,
which their stance is exactly as I stated above.

Now, I have to ask:

What would make the difference in using a modified
M16 bolt carrier vs. the standard civilian version which
is installed in the other AR15 machines that Colt builds
and sells?

Ed

fastboy · 09-24-2007, 03:00 PM

In reading the NFA, I would concur with Ed; M16 bolt carrier is listed as one of the "registered" items under NFA.

**nikon777** · 09-24-2007, 03:53 PM

Legal. Bravo sells them. " LMT Bolt Carrier Groups - Auto "
Note the "auto" designation.

*SA-XD4ME* · 09-24-2007, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Ely

This is right from the horse's mouth at
Colt. I just called and talked to a CSR
by the name of Paul.

For questions, additional information or any other issues, please contact us at:

COLT'S MANUFACTURING COMPANY LLC
Customer Service Department
P.O. Box 1868
Hartford, CT
06144-1868 U.S.A.

Tel: 1-800-962-COLT
Fax: (860) 244-1449

COLT'S MANUFACTURING COMPANY LLC
P.O. Box 1868
Hartford, CT
06144-1868 U.S.A.

Tel: (860) 236-6311
Fax: (860) 244-1442

CMC
2 Talcott Road
West Hartford, CT

Paul said that Colt is shipping the M16 bolt carrier
in all their 'Match Target' AR15s. However, he said that
the factory was machining the pin slot of said carrier
before it the left production area for installation in the
designed 'Match Target' rifles. That of course means that
the assembly cannot be used as a MG part. He said that
all of the 'Match Target' rifles come with the M16 bolt carrier
(modified).

I did not call but one other AR15 manufacturer, Bushmaster,
which their stance is exactly as I stated above.

Now, I have to ask:

What would make the difference in using a modified
M16 bolt carrier vs. the standard civilian version which
is installed in the other AR15 machines that Colt builds
and sells?

Ed

Thanks, Ed.

John A. · 09-24-2007, 10:18 PM

SA-XD4ME , the attachment below is about as definitive as it is going to get.

For those that think (unmodified) M16 carriers are legal in an AR15, you're wrong. Ed nailed this one.

Though a carrier alone doesn't make it an auto, the ATF says you can't do it. This is straight from the Federal Firearms manual. If you would like more information, I can give you the volume and page number to go along with it if you wish to check for yourself.

Here's a link that shows the difference between a semi auto and full auto carrier.
http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?opt...d=29&Itemid=42

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SA-XD4ME XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 209	m16 bolt carrier in an ar15 build. Legal? I was told that colt is selling M16 bolt carriers on their civilian AR15's. a little help on this subject. from what i gather on the net. it has been beaten into the ground with discussion, but no definate answers. __________________ "The 9mm has survived every modern world conflict in history." -- Me

09-24-2007, 06:49 AM	#3
Badshot XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,430	The BCG doesn't make it a machine gun, why would the part be illegal? __________________ --------------------- Stupidity should should be painful! On AR15's: Learn to use your Iron Sights before you go adding all that extra crap on your gun!

09-24-2007, 03:53 PM	#8
nikon777 XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Cleveland, OH. The Danger Zone. Posts: 6,823	Legal. Bravo sells them. " LMT Bolt Carrier Groups - Auto " Note the "auto" designation. __________________ Clinging bitterly to guns and religion since 1977.. My Blogspot.

09-24-2007, 10:18 PM	#10
John A. XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: KY Posts: 485	SA-XD4ME , the attachment below is about as definitive as it is going to get. For those that think (unmodified) M16 carriers are legal in an AR15, you're wrong. Ed nailed this one. Though a carrier alone doesn't make it an auto, the ATF says you can't do it. This is straight from the Federal Firearms manual. If you would like more information, I can give you the volume and page number to go along with it if you wish to check for yourself. Here's a link that shows the difference between a semi auto and full auto carrier. http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?opt...d=29&Itemid=42 __________________ "The 2nd Amendment wasn't adopted into the Constitution because the authors liked guns or the destruction they could cause, but to give ordinary citizens the ability to protect themselves and their family and to take up arms against anyone in a governmental position who tried to deny those fundamental and God given rights." Ecclesiastes 3: 1-8 Last edited by John A. : 09-24-2007 at 10:31 PM.

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09-23-2007, 11:45 PM	#2
120mm XDTalk Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 61	They are legal. SOME parts companies won't sell them to you out of pure whimpiness.

09-24-2007, 09:30 AM	#4
Ed Ely XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: 37.65N -84.76W (Elev. 932 ft) Posts: 7,628 Blog Entries: 1	The position of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobaco And Firearms (ATF) is that if your AR15 type rifle contains even (1) one M16 component, it is a Machine Gun. Of the five part components which make this difference are the hammer, safety selector lever, trigger, disconnector and the BOLT CARRIER! Does that cover it? Ed

09-24-2007, 10:21 AM	#6
Ed Ely XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: 37.65N -84.76W (Elev. 932 ft) Posts: 7,628 Blog Entries: 1	This is right from the horse's mouth at Colt. I just called and talked to a CSR by the name of Paul. For questions, additional information or any other issues, please contact us at: COLT'S MANUFACTURING COMPANY LLC Customer Service Department P.O. Box 1868 Hartford, CT 06144-1868 U.S.A. Tel: 1-800-962-COLT Fax: (860) 244-1449 COLT'S MANUFACTURING COMPANY LLC P.O. Box 1868 Hartford, CT 06144-1868 U.S.A. Tel: (860) 236-6311 Fax: (860) 244-1442 CMC 2 Talcott Road West Hartford, CT Paul said that Colt is shipping the M16 bolt carrier in all their 'Match Target' AR15s. However, he said that the factory was machining the pin slot of said carrier before it the left production area for installation in the designed 'Match Target' rifles. That of course means that the assembly cannot be used as a MG part. He said that all of the 'Match Target' rifles come with the M16 bolt carrier (modified). I did not call but one other AR15 manufacturer, Bushmaster, which their stance is exactly as I stated above. Now, I have to ask: What would make the difference in using a modified M16 bolt carrier vs. the standard civilian version which is installed in the other AR15 machines that Colt builds and sells? Ed

09-24-2007, 03:00 PM	#7
fastboy XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: MI Posts: 1,327	In reading the NFA, I would concur with Ed; M16 bolt carrier is listed as one of the "registered" items under NFA.