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**mvician** · 09-14-2007, 11:15 PM

I just love these pissing matches

I OWN page 6

xd4life · 09-14-2007, 11:25 PM

The reason Glock dominates is cause of their questionable marketing towards LEO back in the early days. I had a first Gen Glock 17 that was a POS. It spent more time in Smyrna Ga than it did in my hands shooting.

Glock does make nice guns and they got decent quality control, But I fear the only reason so many dept. use them is cause of the steep discounts they offer to. I ask if Glock is so great how come the military still uses the Beretta?
You can take a Glock and a XD and put them through the same test and both guns will get the same results. It has been done already and been published in various gun magazines. One reason Glock is so popular cause they were the first polymer gun and everyone else followed.

As far as AR's or really any guns are concerned just remember that govt. contracts, police Dept contracts, whatever go to the lowest bidder.

Also Colt AR's that are manufactured for the Military are not even made in the same factory as the LEO or civilian models. Also only those guns supplied to the military are MIL-SPEC the ones sold to LEO and Civilians are not MIL-SPEC. That is part of the contract agreement that the Govt has with Colt. So no your Colt is not Mil-Spec. Close but no cigar. I found this out when I was talking to a Rep on the phone from Colt when I was buying my dad a AR for Fathers Day. So don't believe the hype.

FYI Bushmaster is one of the suppliers for Blackwater. So it must not be that bad of a AR manufacture. Or a 3rd tier as some would say.

It's Kool-Aid folks, Drink it it's good when it's made with lots a sugar...

**mvician** · 09-14-2007, 11:28 PM

just to stir the pot a little bit

REAL M4 feedramps

REAL MP tested 5.56 1/7 twist barrel

SOCOM heavy M4 barrel

F marked front sight base

**Majk** · 09-14-2007, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsump

I swear by DPMS. I have a M-4 from them and many magazines and extra parts. Their CEO makes great contributions to the shooting community and Law Enforcement. My AR is well built and solid. Order their catalog and there is a company profile in the front that talks about the business in detail.

I've got the same and it's been nothing but perfect. No problems whatsoever.
Flawless and beautiful.
I paid $100 less than a bushy or RR and it still works just as good and a $100 cheaper.

xd4life · 09-14-2007, 11:35 PM

So my front sight on my RRA is marked F...What does that have to do with the price of lead paint in china?

I also have a Wilson Chrome Lined barrel that is 1/7 twist. So what?

**mvician** · 09-14-2007, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xd4life

So my front sight on my RRA is marked F...What does that have to do with the price of lead paint in china?

I also have a Wilson Chrome Lined barrel that is 1/7 twist. So what?

Didn't you see where I said "just to stir the pot"

sheesh

xd4life · 09-14-2007, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mvician

Didn't you see where I said "just to stir the pot"

sheesh

I do now!!!LOL

**mvician** · 09-14-2007, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xd4life

I do now!!!LOL

I do love that upper tho

xd4life · 09-15-2007, 12:08 AM

I don't give a rats a$$ what any of you Kool-Aid drinkers say. My RRA will take out just as many Zombies or gun grabbin liberals as the next gun.

However I am following Xdpackerfans lead and I am looking into a LWRC
that looks like this, With the 16" barrel

I got a house to wire on the side for a builder I used to work for. I gotta pay back the bank (wife) for the CZ I bought, But there should be enough left over,

EDIT: And it will out do any freaking COLT out there...

Alaskapopo · 09-15-2007, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryTx

I would be willing to bet that I've worked on more H&K pistols than you've ever seen. Glocks are servicable firearms. They enjoy a predominance in the LEO market because of a very agressive marketing program and low pricing. They do not enjoy the same predominance in the military where cost isn't a factor.

Your assertion that "Glock makes the best mass produced production [sic] service pistol" is absurd. They are in no way anywhere close to the quality of an H&K in design, engineering and/or production quality.

You may like them, and there is noting wrong with that. But please .

We disagree and thats fine. You may have seen more HK's than me. Hk makes a quality gun. But frankly the USP is an overpriced top heavy DA SA Glock. It is in no way better in workmanship or quality. Frankly I hate HK's trigger options. The DA pull on the da sa guns sucks. The lem trigger is like pulling the lever on a windex bottle.

Glocks dominate because they make a very simple pistol to operate (shoot well) and its as durable as hell is incredibly tolerant of abuse and neglect. It has a low bore axis that keeps muzzle flip down compared to HK's increasing the speed of follow up shots. It's trigger is good with quick reset and if you tune the trigger it can be great. Glocks also dominates in the shooting sports when compared to other DA autos. You don't see many HK's in IDPA or USPSA but you find a ton of Glocks. Glocks are the best system going in the mass produced non custom gun market.

Glock markets well but that would not have taken this far. And if you want to talk about poor customer service try dealing with HK someome. They suck.
Pat

09-14-2007, 11:15 PM	#51
mvician XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NW Indiana Posts: 3,337	I just love these pissing matches I OWN page 6 __________________ AR15s...ya I've built more than a few http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/ar-talk...ar-family.html ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

09-14-2007, 11:25 PM	#52
xd4life XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Back in HOTLANTA Posts: 2,251	The reason Glock dominates is cause of their questionable marketing towards LEO back in the early days. I had a first Gen Glock 17 that was a POS. It spent more time in Smyrna Ga than it did in my hands shooting. Glock does make nice guns and they got decent quality control, But I fear the only reason so many dept. use them is cause of the steep discounts they offer to. I ask if Glock is so great how come the military still uses the Beretta? You can take a Glock and a XD and put them through the same test and both guns will get the same results. It has been done already and been published in various gun magazines. One reason Glock is so popular cause they were the first polymer gun and everyone else followed. As far as AR's or really any guns are concerned just remember that govt. contracts, police Dept contracts, whatever go to the lowest bidder. Also Colt AR's that are manufactured for the Military are not even made in the same factory as the LEO or civilian models. Also only those guns supplied to the military are MIL-SPEC the ones sold to LEO and Civilians are not MIL-SPEC. That is part of the contract agreement that the Govt has with Colt. So no your Colt is not Mil-Spec. Close but no cigar. I found this out when I was talking to a Rep on the phone from Colt when I was buying my dad a AR for Fathers Day. So don't believe the hype. FYI Bushmaster is one of the suppliers for Blackwater. So it must not be that bad of a AR manufacture. Or a 3rd tier as some would say. It's Kool-Aid folks, Drink it it's good when it's made with lots a sugar... __________________ "A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well." Rick Hebert "The best victory is when the opponent surrenders of its own accord before there are any actual hostilities.... It is best to win without fighting." Sun-tzu 300 B.C Bob Barr FOR PRESIDENT

09-14-2007, 11:28 PM	#53
mvician XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NW Indiana Posts: 3,337	just to stir the pot a little bit REAL M4 feedramps REAL MP tested 5.56 1/7 twist barrel SOCOM heavy M4 barrel F marked front sight base __________________ AR15s...ya I've built more than a few http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/ar-talk...ar-family.html ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

09-14-2007, 11:35 PM	#55
xd4life XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Back in HOTLANTA Posts: 2,251	So my front sight on my RRA is marked F...What does that have to do with the price of lead paint in china? I also have a Wilson Chrome Lined barrel that is 1/7 twist. So what? __________________ "A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well." Rick Hebert "The best victory is when the opponent surrenders of its own accord before there are any actual hostilities.... It is best to win without fighting." Sun-tzu 300 B.C Bob Barr FOR PRESIDENT

09-15-2007, 12:08 AM	#59
xd4life XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Back in HOTLANTA Posts: 2,251	I don't give a rats a$$ what any of you Kool-Aid drinkers say. My RRA will take out just as many Zombies or gun grabbin liberals as the next gun. However I am following Xdpackerfans lead and I am looking into a LWRC that looks like this, With the 16" barrel I got a house to wire on the side for a builder I used to work for. I gotta pay back the bank (wife) for the CZ I bought, But there should be enough left over, EDIT: And it will out do any freaking COLT out there... __________________ "A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well." Rick Hebert "The best victory is when the opponent surrenders of its own accord before there are any actual hostilities.... It is best to win without fighting." Sun-tzu 300 B.C Bob Barr FOR PRESIDENT

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