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Lazarus · 06-11-2007, 06:49 PM

So my Stag finally came in. I went to look at it but didnt pick it up yet. I'm wondering though, both the Bushmaster M4A3 and the Stag model 1 look almost like toys. The handguard on the Stag had some play and look and felt like a hard plastic. The barrels on both look fakish. Anyone else think that? The rifle felt good though. A few qualms I have though is the aperture was a little smaller than the Bushy and it only comes with a 5 round mag due to being either a post-ban or NJ friendly model. I dont think its a bad buy at $850 though.

Verk · 06-11-2007, 07:04 PM

I can't speak to the Stag however, I own several Bushmaster carbines and a couple of Colts. I have found the Bushmaster, at least the ones I have, to be excellent rifles. Fit and finish are good and reliability has been flawless and they are accurate.

Keep in mind, ARs are tools not collector pieces and the only thing that counts is how well they function and shoot. I have no complaints with my individual Bushmasters.

Lazarus · 06-11-2007, 07:14 PM

But do you think, or is certain parts plastic or plastic looking? I mean as long as its accurate and reliable thats all I care about.

xd4life · 06-11-2007, 07:16 PM

Hell once you start hanging things off the top and sides it gonna look like a Air soft anyway!!!

But yea some do look kinda fake

Lazarus · 06-11-2007, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by xd4life

Hell once you start hanging things off the top and sides it gonna look like a Air soft anyway!!!

But yea some do look kinda fake

Nah, not me. Actually the tactical Stag with the quad rails look a little nicer. The material was a little shinener almost.

leeindy · 06-11-2007, 09:09 PM

build your own. its cheaper and it saves you money in the long run if you build the way you want to start with.

Apdl · 06-11-2007, 09:41 PM

the hand guard thing is the same on my bushy
they have been mistaken for toys scene their conception

**hobocircus** · 06-12-2007, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Lazarus

A few qualms I have though is the aperture was a little smaller than the Bushy

I would think the peep would all be standard sizes, but I guess anything is possible. You could change it out easily enough or just flip it to the larger opening. If you can live with it, the smaller aperture means tighter groups.

Have fun! shoot safe.

malkore · 06-12-2007, 01:26 PM

handguards aren't supposed to be metal...at least the AR's i've seen (and the one I own) are not.
the hand guard is also a heat shield for the barrel. if it was metal, you'd conduct a lot of heat into the handguards...not great for the shooter.

Stag is quality. Bushy is quality. RRA is quality. you can get premium quality if you wanna spend premium prices.
Think of stag/busy/RRA as good consumer quality. above that is the prosumer level (professional consumer level). below stag you have cheapy stuff...like Model1 sales. not to say cheapy = crappy...but you'll have a higher potential for out of spec parts.

jeff221 · 06-12-2007, 01:38 PM

NO NO NO, AR's don't look "fake"... It's that Toys look real...

06-11-2007, 06:49 PM	#1
Lazarus XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 4,959	Quality of ARs So my Stag finally came in. I went to look at it but didnt pick it up yet. I'm wondering though, both the Bushmaster M4A3 and the Stag model 1 look almost like toys. The handguard on the Stag had some play and look and felt like a hard plastic. The barrels on both look fakish. Anyone else think that? The rifle felt good though. A few qualms I have though is the aperture was a little smaller than the Bushy and it only comes with a 5 round mag due to being either a post-ban or NJ friendly model. I dont think its a bad buy at $850 though. __________________ You never know what you'll miss until its gone.

06-11-2007, 07:14 PM	#3
Lazarus XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 4,959	But do you think, or is certain parts plastic or plastic looking? I mean as long as its accurate and reliable thats all I care about. __________________ You never know what you'll miss until its gone.

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Apdl XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Burnsville, MN Posts: 2,347	the hand guard thing is the same on my bushy they have been mistaken for toys scene their conception __________________ "He took off running, and we caught him, and he just kept resisting. So we just kept whipping his ass." -HulkXD "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein If you are not part of the solution you are part of the precipitate Springfield XD-9 TOTAL COUNT 7847 Daily Carry Springfield 1911 Loaded Target 9mm Walther P22... needs bigger mag EBR Build in progress

06-11-2007, 07:04 PM	#2
Verk XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 335	I can't speak to the Stag however, I own several Bushmaster carbines and a couple of Colts. I have found the Bushmaster, at least the ones I have, to be excellent rifles. Fit and finish are good and reliability has been flawless and they are accurate. Keep in mind, ARs are tools not collector pieces and the only thing that counts is how well they function and shoot. I have no complaints with my individual Bushmasters.

06-12-2007, 01:26 PM	#9
malkore XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: eastern Nebraska Posts: 646	handguards aren't supposed to be metal...at least the AR's i've seen (and the one I own) are not. the hand guard is also a heat shield for the barrel. if it was metal, you'd conduct a lot of heat into the handguards...not great for the shooter. Stag is quality. Bushy is quality. RRA is quality. you can get premium quality if you wanna spend premium prices. Think of stag/busy/RRA as good consumer quality. above that is the prosumer level (professional consumer level). below stag you have cheapy stuff...like Model1 sales. not to say cheapy = crappy...but you'll have a higher potential for out of spec parts. __________________ malkore my guns - http://home.neb.rr.com/malkore/firearms.html

06-12-2007, 01:38 PM	#10
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