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Building my first AR

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Old 07-07-2012, 10:32 AM   #1
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Hello Everyone!

I'm currently looking into building my first AR. I'm looking to get the best quality possible setup with a max budget of $2500. The parts listed below were quoted to me for $1,916.64 including tax.

The retailer will be building the rifle for me and then walk me through how to break it down and clean it as part of the service of buying from them. I live in CT so this rifle has to be CT compliant.

I have read that a complete Stag lower receiver is 100% milspec. I was originally looking for a Colt but those are too far back ordered and the retailer told me that Daniel Defense doesn't make them any longer. So they recommended Stag Arms.

I'm posting this thread to get opinions on the quality of parts that have been recommended to me.

For example....I'm not familiar with Troy Industries but I have read great things about BCM. So would it make sense to get all BCM parts in replace of the Troy parts etc.?




List of parts:

Stag Arms lower receiver including parts kit, buffer tube, and spring

Magpul STR Stock - Pinned

Hogue Rubber Grip

Wilson Combat upper receiver loaded including gas tube and barrel nut

Stag match target barrel

Troy industries midevil muzzle brake - Pinned

Troy industries bravo FF rail (either 9' or 11')

Troy Industries gas block

Les Baer loaded bolt carrier group

Spikes Tactical heavy buffer

BCM Gunfighter charging handle

Troy Industries di-optic micro sights with tritium inserts
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I'd recommend buying the LPK from G&R Tactical rather than the Stag kit. Only their Stag plus line is "milspec". BCM is a very high quality manufacturer, and you won't go wrong with their products. What is the intended purpose of this rifle? The current trend for defensive carbines has moved away from heavy match barrels toward light weight ones. However for a bench or varmint gun you may get better accuracy from that heavy barrel. Take a look at "the Chart", and specifically read the info found in the link to legacy explanation of features. You may find yourself rethinking some of your parts choices and possibly saving some cash in the process.

Edit to add: You don't want the Troy micro sights. They won't co-witness with any optic that you may add down the line. The standard Troy sights are designed for AR's and are a great choice though. I'd use BCM F/A bolt/carrier group instead of the "loaded" Les baer. Most any H weighted buffer is fine. Why are you pinning the muzzle break? For compliance reasons? Take a look at the BCM Battlecomp. If I were building another AR, that's what I would change from your list. Hope my 2cents helps. Good luck on your build.
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Old 07-07-2012, 11:39 AM   #3
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Hello Everyone!

I'm currently looking into building my first AR. I'm looking to get the best quality possible setup with a max budget of $2500. The parts listed below were quoted to me for $1,916.64 including tax.

The retailer will be building the rifle for me and then walk me through how to break it down and clean it as part of the service of buying from them. I live in CT so this rifle has to be CT compliant.

I have read that a complete Stag lower receiver is 100% milspec. I was originally looking for a Colt but those are too far back ordered and the retailer told me that Daniel Defense doesn't make them any longer. So they recommended Stag Arms.

I'm posting this thread to get opinions on the quality of parts that have been recommended to me.

For example....I'm not familiar with Troy Industries but I have read great things about BCM. So would it make sense to get all BCM parts in replace of the Troy parts etc.?




List of parts:

Stag Arms lower receiver including parts kit, buffer tube, and spring

Magpul STR Stock - Pinned

Hogue Rubber Grip

Wilson Combat upper receiver loaded including gas tube and barrel nut

Stag match target barrel

Troy industries midevil muzzle brake - Pinned

Troy industries bravo FF rail (either 9' or 11')

Troy Industries gas block

Les Baer loaded bolt carrier group

Spikes Tactical heavy buffer

BCM Gunfighter charging handle

Troy Industries di-optic micro sights with tritium inserts
wow that's a long rail!
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$1916.64 is a little pricey for that setup. Is that parts or are they charging you labor to assemble the rifle?

Troy makes some nice parts. The shop did recommend nice parts, not "top shelf", but very good parts. Honestly, I think you could get more for your money.
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Old 07-07-2012, 11:57 AM   #5
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If i were you i would skip the tritium sights and get regular sights and use the money saved for a light.
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[QUOTE=Bonehead;3418906]wow that's a long rail! [QUOTE]

Some guys run 15 inch rails with vert grips at the very end lol. Must have some really long arms.
I run a 12.25 myself
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[quote=Spooled;3418941][QUOTE=Bonehead;3418906]wow that's a long rail!
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Some guys run 15 inch rails with vert grips at the very end lol. Must have some really long arms.
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I was teasing about ' being feet and " being inches. he said a 9 foot to 11 foot rail.


and yeah I think the rifles look goofy with the long rail like that. they put that grip out there and walk around with the support arm extended and locked at the elbow.

seems weird to me but what do I know...
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wow that's a long rail!

I was teasing about ' being feet and " being inches. he said a 9 foot to 11 foot rail.


and yeah I think the rifles look goofy with the long rail like that. they put that grip out there and walk around with the support arm extended and locked at the elbow.

seems weird to me but what do I know...
Ah i see now haha
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I'd recommend buying the LPK from G&R Tactical rather than the Stag kit. Only their Stag plus line is "milspec". BCM is a very high quality manufacturer, and you won't go wrong with their products. What is the intended purpose of this rifle? The current trend for defensive carbines has moved away from heavy match barrels toward light weight ones. However for a bench or varmint gun you may get better accuracy from that heavy barrel. Take a look at "the Chart", and specifically read the info found in the link to legacy explanation of features. You may find yourself rethinking some of your parts choices and possibly saving some cash in the process.

Edit to add: You don't want the Troy micro sights. They won't co-witness with any optic that you may add down the line. The standard Troy sights are designed for AR's and are a great choice though. I'd use BCM F/A bolt/carrier group instead of the "loaded" Les baer. Most any H weighted buffer is fine. Why are you pinning the muzzle break? For compliance reasons? Take a look at the BCM Battlecomp. If I were building another AR, that's what I would change from your list. Hope my 2cents helps. Good luck on your build.
If you tell us what you intend to do with the rifle, it would help. As mentioned in this quote, I wouldn't use that barrel on anything but a target rifle. For hunting or defense use, I would go with something lighter weight. I have lightweight 16" barrels from both Daniels Defense and BCM, and really like this configuration.

Also I have to agree with the recommendation of a BCM BCG and a standard H-buffer. The two pieces you listed are lots more cash for not much more discernable benefit.
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I'd recommend buying the LPK from G&R Tactical rather than the Stag kit. Only their Stag plus line is "milspec". BCM is a very high quality manufacturer, and you won't go wrong with their products. What is the intended purpose of this rifle? The current trend for defensive carbines has moved away from heavy match barrels toward light weight ones. However for a bench or varmint gun you may get better accuracy from that heavy barrel. Take a look at "the Chart", and specifically read the info found in the link to legacy explanation of features. You may find yourself rethinking some of your parts choices and possibly saving some cash in the process.

Edit to add: You don't want the Troy micro sights. They won't co-witness with any optic that you may add down the line. The standard Troy sights are designed for AR's and are a great choice though. I'd use BCM F/A bolt/carrier group instead of the "loaded" Les baer. Most any H weighted buffer is fine. Why are you pinning the muzzle break? For compliance reasons? Take a look at the BCM Battlecomp. If I were building another AR, that's what I would change from your list. Hope my 2cents helps. Good luck on your build.

Thanks for info guys...

I will be mainly using this rifle for recreation purposes while I practice to enter some competitions. I want the best accuracy possible. The shop manager told me that the further the sights are separated the more accurate the gun will be at longer range. Hence the longer rail set up. They also told me a heavier buffer increases accuracy a tad.



You don't want the Troy micro sights. They won't co-witness with any optic that you may add down the line.

Does co-witness mean I can use the sights when looking through the optics in case optics fail?

At first I wont be able to afford optics anyways because I figured what I'm gonna want will cost nearly as much as the rifle itself.

We discussed what I was going to do when i added optics down the road, and if i understand correctly, co-witnessing came up. However the shop did say I could get a kit that would allow me to mount my micro sights off to the side. This would allow me to use both optics for longer range and sights (rifle held on an angle) for shorter range. I've always liked sights with tritium inserts rather than the plain iron sight.


I'd recommend buying the LPK from G&R Tactical

What is LPK? Not really following you there... G&R Tactical sells BCM lowers but they are out of stock. What did u mean by LPK?


Take a look at "the Chart"

Is there a link to this "chart"?


Why are you pinning the muzzle break? For compliance reasons?

Yes. I'm sure this is because the rifle has to be CT compliant.

thanks for help!!!
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