New Magpul AFG (Angled Foregrip)

[Chapie+]

Originally Posted by reidic

Get over yourself. Just because somebody has a differing opinion and experience than you doesn't automatically invalidate their position as infatuation. Magpul makes some stuff I DON'T care for, they make a lot of stuff that I like. My point is very simply that you can't write off a company that puts out products like what Magpul is making as an advertising machine.

I am over myself.

I'll try again.

I'm frustrated when I see something cool, but cannot find it. That's not a new thing, that's a consumer thing. I'm not against Magpul, they make great stuff - it just isn't always easy to find at places I have heard of.

I appreciate the help received at XDTalk forums on some websites I had not heard of. I am also hesitant to give my credit card and other info to a website I haven't heard of.

Over,
Chapie+

[reidic]

I can't speak for any of the sites other than FEAR Armory, I've purchased 4-5 things from their company the past few months, everything was near immediate, he shipped within 24 hours and I'm lucky enough to be located somewhere where priority mail gets to me within 48. So far I ordered and received very quickly: an MOE stock, a MIAD grip, an ASAP, an MS2 sling, and 4 Pmags which where shipped to someone else in a trade agreement. If you're uncomfortable doing a CC payment with them PM me, I can hook you up with Stephen's number and you can call him directly, he'll take Paypal which offers a much larger degree of consumer protection.

I apologize if I jumped to self-defense and didn't understand your point. I think I can speak for everyone when I say I share your frustration when there's cool stuff you wanna use and you're kept from it for one reason or another; I feel for everyone with a Del-Ton kit on order. It's unfortunate that for whatever reason, the general consensus seems to be demand exceeding supply, Magpul has a lot of kit that they can't keep in supplier's hands.

[mvician]

Originally Posted by Chapie+

I've been calling and talking with the mighty Magpul (bow your head in silent admiration) about the 20rnd .308 mag for over 6 months. Told everytime that it was coming out very soon.


Chapie+

This is Drakes sigline on ar15.com

We are not releasing any information on products that may or may not be in the works. We're always looking for new ways to improve on existing products and exploring boundaries of new ideas. Thanks.

They WILL NOT give out a date when something is in development.

Not ragging on you, just letting you know their position.

[ForTehNguyen]

from my friend studying physical therapy:

yes... the slides somewhat make sense about their ergonomics.
-for the hand stop slide... it's not that you're overextending your supinators, but more like (if looking at the picture) you're deviating your wrist towards your pinky which will stretch the structures of your finger and wrist on the thumb side. you've got your radial nerve and artery and vein running through there, so if holding your wrist in that position may possibly lead to some irritation to those structures.
-for vfg if you hold onto something too tight you might go numb in your fingers... so
try to get fingers and wrist moving as much as possible. try not to hold your fingers and wrist in extreme positions too long because it may cause restriction to blood flow and make your nerves unhappy... PTs believe that motion is lotion.

any grip that will make your arm is in neither palm up or palm down and with no wrist deviation towards the pinky or towards the thumb is good. and remember you're holding the gun with other bigger muscles like your deltoids and biceps and a balance of forearm flexors and extensors.

have you been having any hand, wrist, and arm symptoms?

[sixgunsblazing]

I like it.
Never have been a huge fan of VFG's just can't get comfortable with them

[Ibasiuyac]

Have to say it .... I like a lot of the Magpul products but I disagree with their terminology in the slides of the OP. First of all, in the VFG slide: there is no such thing as partial pronation which would imply there is a thing called partial supination which again there is no such thing. Seems as if Magpul is trying to invent some new terminology to go along with the new grip product. By the way, pronation refers to a palm down orientation of the hand and supination refers to a palm up orientation. At any rate the point of this is that partial pronation or partial supination really should be termed wrist neutral or just neutral for that matter. Secondly, and related to my first point is the slide titled AFG. Magpul says the hand/wrist is in a supinated position. No it's not. In the slide the hand is neutral but the wrist is ulnar deviated. Basically wrist deviation can be illustrated with a fly fishing motion. When you pull the pole vertically your wrist is radially deviated and when you cast the line out it is ulnar deviated. Looking at the AFG slide it appears to me that the guys hand holding the grip is both wrist neutral (in terms of pronation/supination) but ulnar deviated. If a guy did a bunch of shooting in this postion I could see the potential for developing some tendinitis in the thumb tendons that allow you to do the hitch hiker thumb up postion. The point of my analysis is that in my opinion this grip isn't as ergonomically tacticool as Magpul is trying to make it out to be.

[ForTehNguyen]

the thumb forward and 45 deg below horizontal is the same type of grip a lot of people shoot pistol with, does that mean you can get tendonitis from that?

[Ibasiuyac]

Originally Posted by ForTehNguyen

the thumb forward and 45 deg below horizontal is the same type of grip a lot of people shoot pistol with, does that mean you can get tendonitis from that?

I've noticed that as well. The only time it's been an issue with me personally is when I took a pistol shooting class last spring where we shot 400+ rounds that day. On the drive home I noticed that I could tell I had had my wrist ulnar deviated a lot that day but by the next day it wasn't an issue. Perhaps I am overstating the potential for an overuse type issue in the support side wrist/thumb. I guess my more salient point is that it seems as if Magpul is trying to add some fancy dancy terminology to market their product that isn't accurate. I guess I am just nitpicking it. I would imagine most people might not give two shakes about the inaccuracy of the terminology ... as well they should. If the product appeals to them and it works for them then terminology really doesn't matter then does it??!!!

[ForTehNguyen]

close up pic, its similar to the ergo of a P90 it looks like. I would think this would complement people who currently use the thumb break method, I'm one of them. Thumb break is the most similar grip method with the AFG so it wouldnt be much different

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[Ibasiuyac]

Originally Posted by ForTehNguyen

close up pic, its similar to the ergo of a P90 it looks like. I would think this would complement people who currently use the thumb break method, I'm one of them. Thumb break is the most similar grip method with the AFG so it wouldnt be much different
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</p>Yea, you're right. After dinking around with various ways to hold the VG on my AR I see what you're saying. My vertical grip is quite comfortable so the thumb break method for me works great. Looks like Magpul has just found a new way to achieve the same purpose.