Olympic Arms?

[BushViper]

Originally Posted by rpsmith

I thought this thread was supposed to be about Oly arms, instead it has turned into childish piss and moan thread, is it really that hard to just give your opinion on the OP w/o reverting to personal attacks?

Yes well most of us try to give opinions, then Bill and Pat come along and say we are wrong and liars.

[dsr30]

Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

And it shows. Hence the reason why you resort to profanity and personal attacks vs debating the facts.
Pat

You're absolutely right as always...I don't have certs so I'm unable to go up against you and your mighty certs and have to tell you that you're full of **** and an *******, all because I don't have any certs. How about you respond to what I said, prove me wrong (as I must be, since I disagree with you) and stop trying to distract. It's your mighty opinion that's being debated not facts. The issue you and your #2 are debating was brought up by you guys and no one else.

[nikon777]

Same sh!t, different thread. This debate is on par with Glock vs XD, & Ford vs Chevy etc.

I never understood why people get so pissy about a chart that simply lists the specifications of different rifles. Its information. Use it to your advantage. Don't act like a girl because your rifle is too far to the right of the chart.

I bought a Bushmaster as nothing else was available. I knew full well what I was getting. I simply upgraded the sh!t out of it to bring it closer to the left of the chart. Had a different rifle been available I would have bought it instead of upgrading the BM. I'm currently very happy with the rifle.

I simply used the chart for what it was intended, information. Anyone who cant see that has deeper issues IMHO. I just don't see why the chart is so controversial. Its basically just a list of features and/or processes that certain parts have or have not gone through. I find it to be a wealth of knowledge that helped me to build a better rifle(s). Ok, so your DPMS has gone 2 thousand rounds, thats great. Im glad you rifle works the way you want. Dont knock me however because I upgraded to a MPI shot peened bolt etc.

There are a lot of feminine traits that have emerged throughout this post. Man up men.

[Alaskapopo]

Originally Posted by BushViper

Opinions sir are not facts. Unless you are God, since your not, they are just opinions.

Everything listed in the chart is fact and all the personal experiences I have shared are in deed facts and not opinions.
An opinion is saying I like red more than blue.
Pat

[Alaskapopo]

Originally Posted by dsr30

You're absolutely right as always...I don't have certs so I'm unable to go up against you and your mighty certs and have to tell you that you're full of **** and an *******, all because I don't have any certs. How about you respond to what I said, prove me wrong (as I must be, since I disagree with you) and stop trying to distract. It's your mighty opinion that's being debated not facts. The issue you and your #2 are debating was brought up by you guys and no one else.

Profanity is simply a weak mind trying to express itself.

Pat

[BushViper]

Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

Everything listed in the chart is fact and all the personal experiences I have shared are in deed facts and not opinions.
An opinion is saying I like red more than blue.
Pat

Fact according to who? We both know that different manufactures switch suppliers all the time. Colt makes very little in house and several major components are made in Canada (i.e. the barrels). So who knows what they are doing since they change stuff so often. Yes you have shared you exp, but when someone shares something that is different you claim them as being wrong. How does you exp rate as fact but theirs not?

[billbrasky]

Originally Posted by dsr30

Who here has ever said or implied that all AR's are equal?!

many folks. Isnt suggesting that X and Y though different are equally good, the same as saying they are equal.

Originally Posted by dsr30

You guys make me laugh, you're going to say, "Now if one is fine with a lesser product thats great." I would bet that everything that you own is not the best that's available. You make that statement regarding AR's because, well I assume, that you've got a top tier AR.

I am fine if the consumer is happy great. Lets not pretend different things are equal though.

I dont own an ar15 at the moment.

I think that makes me pretty unbiased. I am not defending a purchase.

No not everything i own is the best. But then most of the stuff i buy is not a modular system with a 50 year history, and mil spec's available to the public.

Originally Posted by dsr30

Are your vehicles top tier also?

as i explained earlier the car stuff is very subjective.

Explain what a top tier car is. There are more than 100 car makers world wide.
Since you apparently know who is better than who, and they all make different stuff, i am interested in this list. It should be a real insight into your mind and how you work.


I dont think you can dispute the merit of the milspec features.

Please share with me a car that is made by a dozen folks.

The closest thing i can think of is wenger and victorinox both claiming to be the original swiss army knife, and the real original.

All cars are a transportation solution, but every car for sale right now, not a single one is a modular system.

Originally Posted by dsr30

I know they aren't cause one of them is a Jeep Liberty, why would you buy a product of lesser quality?

yuck. Liberty is the bastard son of concessions and compromises, and mass apeal. The liberty is the reason i have an XJ, cause the liberty was a step backwards.

My jeep is a XJ. cherokee.
Inline 6.
Solid axles.

no crapola v6, and not IFS.

I bought it cause i was in college, and needed space. I wanted a vehicle i could commute in, fits on trails, can carry my junk around etc.

It fit my criteria perfectly.

Originally Posted by dsr30

Could it be that it was what you could afford or justify spending at the time?

The only other vehicle with similar features that my cherokee had, was the large heavy and under powered 80 series landcruiser. Or the grand cherokee, which i didnt think had anything on the Xj cherokee.

But it had fulltime 4wd, which i didnt want to waste gas with.

It had a 212 hp inline 6 which is sweet, but the fj80 weights about 1,000 lbs more than my jeep, and its needlessly big for a 5 seater. Ohh and it cost about 55k or more.

A 4 door wrangler is on the not to distant horizon for me. If not for chrylsers problems they might have had the diesel version out.
One of my moles told me about 2-3 years ago it should be out by now. This was when chrysler was not teetering on the verge of bankruptsy.

I like jeeps. So sue me.

I would still keep my cherokee, its just barely broken in. Its paid for. I aint selling it.

Originally Posted by dsr30

Or might it have been that the Liberty was able to meet your requirements for the intended purpose of the vehicle that you wanted to get? Because I'm sure that someone who's got a way better vehicle could tell you that you're stupid to buy a Liberty and list a whole bunch of reasons. What would your response be then?

Again i dont have a liberty.

If they liberty, or any vehicle was a modular system this would be a good discussion. But no such mass produced vehicle exists as a modular system, so this line of questioning is not proving valuable to your arguement.



If i could buy a h1 hummer for 20% more than a kia sorrento i would be mighty tempted.

[dsr30]

Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

Everything listed in the chart is fact and all the personal experiences I have shared are in deed facts and not opinions.
An opinion is saying I like red more than blue.
Pat

Whatever you say, all knowing Corporal , let you tell it everything you say is a fact.

[dsr30]

Originally Posted by billbrasky

many folks. Isnt suggesting that X and Y though different are equally good, the same as saying they are equal.

Your response was quite lenghty, I'll respond to this one which is the most important in my opinion. I never said that X & Y (X being lower to mid tier AR's and Y the upper tiers) are equally good. What I said is, everyone doesn't need Y and in many cases X will be just fine. The OP put 1k rounds, i think through his AR in 2 yrs, why would he need a $2k AR to do that? I can hear pat saying, "because you might need it to defend your life.........) Having 100 more hp and AWD on your vehiclemight save your life day too. For persons who can afford to or really need a rifle that has a higher probability of functioning then $2.5k would be totally ok. Kinda just like a career technician will be more inclined to buy a tool box that cost $10k and tools that amount to many times that as opposed to a 200 piece kit from Wal-Mart, that would do everything an occasional tinkerer might want.

That's the point that was trying to be made this entire thread. I'm sure everyone here knows that there is a difference between an AR costing $800 vs $2500. And that isn't the issue, just that everyone doesn't need the more expensive one to get the job done.