Olympic Arms?

[billbrasky]

Originally Posted by BushViper

Ok I will agree that OLY is not the best and does not have the best rep. BUT if it is what you can afford then buy it, learn about it, and take care of it. I do believe w/ a little TLC you can get an OLY running very well. Wow you signed his rep? You never sign mine...I feel so sad Pat you are talking from you exp and that is great. BUT you exp is not the final word. I am sure that where you live in AK the environment has some effect on the weapons, cold and wet all the time. You AINT the AR know all. I am not either, but we all have opinions and we are have BRD so bad that we argue about it w/ other people we don't even know. SO why don't we just agree to disagree and when someone ask about a certain gun give you opinion but offer to help them get the best they can in their budget. You don't seem to understand that. Do you realize that you can buy 2 OLYs for the price of a colt? That does not mean that I am saying do that, just that if someone can only afford an OLY then they sure as hell cannot afford a colt. GO shoot something and chill out dude, that is where I am going. See y'all after I kills me some paper!

more bad science.

The cold and dampness of alaska would affect all the guns he has the same, so what conclusion are you trying to draw?

Many days its colder in michigan than siberia. Same with minnesota and north dakota even more so.

The fact its cold in Alaska is a moot point, unless he is comparing a rifle he used to own when he lived in nevada.

Not to mention the problems he is speaking of are chronic, innate, its not a quesion of if you can get the best gosh darned gun that ever ran off DPMS assembly line, its a quesion of why they under built it from the begining.

[billbrasky]

Originally Posted by mvician

Take the time to educate yourselves before spouting off.
That date on that copy of "the chart" posted was from 2007, and at that time, the S&W was made by Stag and did not have m4 ramps.

Comparison Chart of Major AR Brands - M4Carbine.net Forums

current "chart" is located here

http://spreadsheets0.google.com/ccc?...jFwPrgTA&hl=en

Comparison Chart of Major AR Brands - M4Carbine.net Forums


and now

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in bushvipers mind i think he sees the chart not as info, but as a constantly evolving entity. Its like the universe, or god, or something he just cant grasp, hell for someone like him it might as well be just the concept of a lab environment and no emotion.

Thanks for saving me the time, i suspected the MP15 was either altered, very new, or not available at the time he made the chart, as in it was discontinued etc.

[billbrasky]

Originally Posted by dsr30

I never said that you said you were an AR god, but you sure as hell act like it. And once again, I've never at any point said there was no difference between the various manufacturers, just that you don't have to buy the best to get a reliable AR. You just can seem to accept the fact that an Oly can run just as good as a LMT.

Because you post a bunch as certificates of courses that you did, you seem to think that what you say is gold and you know best. I've got a BS in Automotive Technology, and alot of experience, with cars, but I don't think I know it all.

If someone can't afford a BMW, are you going to tell them not to buy a car until they can afford one?

thats not the question the original poster asked.

Cars are not copys of a modular system.

if you are in the industry you should know this.

Its as if they made ten copies of the porsche 1911.

Porsche and two others made the real ones.

Others put chevy V8s in the rear, water cooled not air cooled like the real 911s from the 90s and earlier.

others just used the shiloette, and it was really a FWD vw bettle drive train.

Still others had a 3 cylinder geo metro motor in the rear.

If someone asked me who makes a good 911 i could not in good conscience tell them the fake ones, where corners were cut should be high on their list.

I would not feel bad saying, yeah that 911 looks sweet but it has a 68 hp 3 cylinder motor in it.

I would think they could make a good decision.

To answer your question about a BMW i would say well do you want a BMW, or do you want something pretending to be a BMW.

I can sell you a mexican made old school beetle with a BMW badge on it, if all you want is to say you have a BMW, and you have a wild imagination.

I think thats half the problem.

Folks wanted an ar15 since they were a kid, their greed overwhelms their common senses. They just want to say they have an ar15.

Ya know what, just spend the $600 on a .223 remmy 700 and call it a day.

Youll be better off.

[billbrasky]

Originally Posted by justgotback

I own an Oly M4 and love it! I have never had any issues with it, and at 100 yards open sights it is extremely accurate. I guess its just like cars. Everyone has their idea of which is the best maker based on their personal experiences.

but what if everyone WANTS the consumer to think it is literally the same as the units the army uses.

What is nissan sold a truck, called it a H1 hummer, but it was just a rip off of the H1 hummers body.

Underpinnings were all different, but the commericals show all sorts of images about patriotism, badassness etc.

Cars for the most part dont try to be the same .... unless we are talking about a kit car or reproduction part for old classics.

Chevy doesnt try to be ford, nissan doesnt try to be chevy, and toyota doesnt try to be honda.

Repro parts DO try to be exactly like a 69 cuda.

And folks do judge them.

Everything is not the best.

[billbrasky]

Originally Posted by BushViper

Pat, dude let it rest. You have given your opinion. Let people buy what they want. If someone says they have beaten the hell outa their OLY and it has preformed, how are you going to sit there and tell them they are wrong and their gun is a POS? Just be happy that someone has BRD and has a gun that treats them well. Help people buy within their budget and be there to help IF they have issues. IF their gun is a POS then you can say I told you so. Until then, chill dude.

there is no way someone ran their oly ragged and didnt spend 3-4 times as much on ammo as they did on the gun. Then the price of the gun again on accessories.

You sure do think everyone is broke.

I would suggest folks buy a $300 savage bolt action in .223 if they are low on cash.

[billbrasky]

Originally Posted by jh901

Why do some of you resist the notion that QUALITY is objective?

Seriously, is this so hard for some of you to grasp?

Oly is inferior to most AR15 manufacturers. This is an objective fact that can be shown by visual inspection and by other more complex means. You can cite anecdotal stories all you want, but the FACT is that some things are well made and others are not. This doesn't mean you can't be happy with an Oly, it only means that you aren't interested in or able to afford QUALITY.

I can just see many of you arguing that a Porsche 911 is just the same as your new Camry. And then giving examples of how you made it to the Quicky Mart and back safely over 50 times without a "failure".

My BCM mid-lenth upper is very, very well-made. You won't find many AR15 guys who would say anything bad about BCM. And an LMT or BCM bolt carrier group is also way at the top. Again, there is a reason everyone who knows a lot recommends this stuff. I desired "the best", so I made it happen. Why would anyone become offended that their Bushmaster or RRA (that they are completely happy with) is inferior?

yes!

exactly.

Thankyou.

[McGuirk]

Originally Posted by jh901

Why do some of you resist the notion that QUALITY is objective?

Seriously, is this so hard for some of you to grasp?

Oly is inferior to most AR15 manufacturers. This is an objective fact that can be shown by visual inspection and by other more complex means. You can cite anecdotal stories all you want, but the FACT is that some things are well made and others are not. This doesn't mean you can't be happy with an Oly, it only means that you aren't interested in or able to afford QUALITY.

I can just see many of you arguing that a Porsche 911 is just the same as your new Camry. And then giving examples of how you made it to the Quicky Mart and back safely over 50 times without a "failure".

My BCM mid-lenth upper is very, very well-made. You won't find many AR15 guys who would say anything bad about BCM. And an LMT or BCM bolt carrier group is also way at the top. Again, there is a reason everyone who knows a lot recommends this stuff. I desired "the best", so I made it happen. Why would anyone become offended that their Bushmaster or RRA (that they are completely happy with) is inferior?

I can't figure it out either. Why people get pissed that others are educating, is beyond me. You can get whatever you want and don't feel bad when someone calls your rifle inferior. What is so wrong with pointing to factual evidence to educate, instead of subjective story telling? If you have a Oly or DPMS, and it works for you, good job, but odds say don't do it, so why not make those in the market aware?

[Zombie Hunter]

Originally Posted by billbrasky

thats not the question the original poster asked.

Cars are not copys of a modular system.

if you are in the industry you should know this.

Its as if they made ten copies of the porsche 1911.

Porsche and two others made the real ones.

Others put chevy V8s in the rear, water cooled not air cooled like the real 911s from the 90s and earlier.

others just used the shiloette, and it was really a FWD vw bettle drive train.

Still others had a 3 cylinder geo metro motor in the rear.

If someone asked me who makes a good 911 i could not in good conscience tell them the fake ones, where corners were cut should be high on their list.

I would not feel bad saying, yeah that 911 looks sweet but it has a 68 hp 3 cylinder motor in it.

I would think they could make a good decision.

So you're saying I shouldn't buy a Porsche 912? Lol!

[fett701]

There obviously was some misunderstanding in my post. I already own an oly and have for over 2 years. I am pleased with it. Which is why i was looking into buying another one. I do understand where the negative opinions come from. I also have read the negative threads and opinions. But to say that Olympic cannot make a good Ar is fallacy. The money that is paid for your Ar is for quality control. So yes in your opinion you took 10 Colts and 10 Olympics treated them the same would the Colt outlast the Olympic on average yes. But unless it is over a 2 to 1 margin then it comes down to what the consumer wants because the cost is the same. I know that my AR is not the best money can buy but it performs the job i paid for it to do. Which is all i ask.

[justgotback]

Originally Posted by fett701

There obviously was some misunderstanding in my post. I already own an oly and have for over 2 years. I am pleased with it. Which is why i was looking into buying another one. I do understand where the negative opinions come from. I also have read the negative threads and opinions. But to say that Olympic cannot make a good Ar is fallacy. The money that is paid for your Ar is for quality control. So yes in your opinion you took 10 Colts and 10 Olympics treated them the same would the Colt outlast the Olympic on average yes. But unless it is over a 2 to 1 margin then it comes down to what the consumer wants because the cost is the same. I know that my AR is not the best money can buy but it performs the job i paid for it to do. Which is all i ask.

Good post. Pretty simple really. I own an Oly M4 and love it. I have had absolutely no problems with it and have fired thousands of rounds through it. I care for it, clean it, and keep it lubed up nicely. It may not be the high end of AR's but I don't need to drive a Porshe to get where I am going...