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goretro77 · 11-17-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ForTehNguyen

uh oh its goelise from ClubLexus lol, welcome to XDTalk

lol! Thanks ForTehNguyen!

ah8176 · 11-17-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by chupacabrachus

ACOG's are the cat's pajamas. They do have limitations for "CQB" and take some getting used to.

"CQB Limitation's"?????

What do you mean?

They do take some getting used to, but that should eliminate any "limitations."

I've seen this debate on the forum at least 2 other times before and I do hear this arguement everytime about how "the ACOG isn't as good for CQB"
The ACOG is as good at CQB than as any other optic out there, AIMPOINT and EOTECH included. The biggest problem is that some people who buy ACOG's aren't trained to use them properly. Other's are fine. I know this because I was a Marine Corps MOC's instructor. I taught a whole course's of fire dedicated to training Marines on how to use the ACOG/RCO.
I meet alot of "Experts" at the range who tell me the ACOG lacks "reflex sight shooting abilities." And that's just B.S. Most people use the ACOG as a scope and squint to look into it, rather than "looking through it." When you look through it it acts just like a reflex sight. When used in CQB applications, people complain that instead of a small dot for a fine point of impact the entire target is painted with a giant cheveron. Once again, in CQB at close range, the chevron hit's a man sized target with ease up to 100 meters. After that, your not in close quarter's battle. Heck, your not even in that after 30 meters.
So I hope when you refer to "limitations in CQB" your talking about the shooter, not the equipment.

Lino · 11-17-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by goretro77

I like my EOTCH 557 with 3xFTS.

magnifier flipped to the side:

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Hey..

doesn't your 3x get hit by ejected brass.. I have the same setup and fliped the mount so it flips to the left..

reidic · 11-17-2009, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ah8176

"CQB Limitation's"?????

What do you mean?

They do take some getting used to, but that should eliminate any "limitations."

I've seen this debate on the forum at least 2 other times before and I do hear this arguement everytime about how "the ACOG isn't as good for CQB"
The ACOG is as good at CQB than as any other optic out there, AIMPOINT and EOTECH included. The biggest problem is that some people who buy ACOG's aren't trained to use them properly. Other's are fine. I know this because I was a Marine Corps MOC's instructor. I taught a whole course's of fire dedicated to training Marines on how to use the ACOG/RCO.
I meet alot of "Experts" at the range who tell me the ACOG lacks "reflex sight shooting abilities." And that's just B.S. Most people use the ACOG as a scope and squint to look into it, rather than "looking through it." When you look through it it acts just like a reflex sight. When used in CQB applications, people complain that instead of a small dot for a fine point of impact the entire target is painted with a giant cheveron. Once again, in CQB at close range, the chevron hit's a man sized target with ease up to 100 meters. After that, your not in close quarter's battle. Heck, your not even in that after 30 meters.
So I hope when you refer to "limitations in CQB" your talking about the shooter, not the equipment.

QFT, I've spoken with a lot of guys who ignore the Bindon aiming concept because it has 3x magnification. I haven't had an opportunity to use one myself so I won't be so cocky as to say it is easy or difficult to adapt, but the whole principle of use on the ACOGs was to use 2 eye aiming for functioning in different situations.

**ForTehNguyen** · 11-17-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Lino

Hey..

doesn't your 3x get hit by ejected brass.. I have the same setup and fliped the mount so it flips to the left..

when you flip it to the side its still above the upper receiver, brass flies to the side of the receiver. Also the magnifier is usually towards the back half of the upper while the ejection port is on the forward half. I doubt there is any brass interference with the magnifier.

ah8176 · 11-17-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by reidic

QFT,

I sincerely hope your QFT stands for Quoted For Truth.

**ForTehNguyen** · 11-17-2009, 02:41 PM

is there a benefit to the 65 MOA circle that Eotechs have? I've always liked the simple dot of an aimpoint but I like the eotechs field of vision as well. Eotech XPS has an option where you can get a 1MOA dot reticle without the 65MOA circle, so its a nice mix of two features I liked.

Synapse · 11-17-2009, 02:50 PM

Short range = Eotech
Medium Range = Aimpoint
Longer ranges = ACOG

All around I would highly recommend the EoTech or and Aimpoint. Don't care for ACOGS.

MHayes · 11-17-2009, 03:38 PM

I have the Eotech XPS-2 on my patrol rifle, and happy with it so far! I like the 65 MOA reticule, combined with the 1 MOA dot. Fast target acquisition, and good field of view.

reidic · 11-17-2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ah8176

I sincerely hope your QFT stands for Quoted For Truth.

Umm, I'm gonna disappoint forum goers everywhere and admit I don't know what else that COULD stand for, and I'm sure the alternative isn't very polite, so we'll just let it go at yes, I was meaning quoted for truth. Or maybe quoted for turtles. Yay turtles!