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**Edubya** · 06-15-2008, 10:31 AM

I think this die-hard reloader(35 years experience) has learned a lesson and will be much more conservative
when reloading rounds that will be used in a firearm with a partially unsupported chamber. A lot of auto loaders do this to a small degree but NONE I've seen do it to this extreme (even Glock). I think this pistol and the P3AT get away with this because the .380 auto round is relatively low pressure and it appears not a lot of people are reloading for this gun. I have yet to see anyone say "Hey - I reload for this pistol all the time at the levels listed in the Lyman manual and all is OK".

Ruger LCP - KaBoom

This motivated me to breakdown my XD9 and insert a cartridge to see how much was unsupported. It also is an example of why the first place to look for an "overload/overpressure" would be the lower end (non-supported portion) of the brass, not the primer. This incident also makes for a good reason to clean and pre-inspect your "once-fired" brass.

jeepinbanditrider · 06-15-2008, 11:43 AM

Wow. Though for a .380 that bullet seems way heavy AND way to fast. That's got to be a crazy amount of pressure for a .380 chamber.

Pit Man · 06-15-2008, 12:02 PM

I hope it wasn't because he had a bad batch of powder. Alliant had a recall on Unique a while back and the kegs contained Bullseye powder instead

. I know it's an older recall but you never know.

Product Recall

July 6, 2005
Product description: Unique® smokeless powder, LOT numbers 850, 859, 861, 868, 872, 876, 890, 898 and 907.
Warning:
Alliant Powder has determined a very small number of eight pound (8 lb.) Alliant Powder Unique“ smokeless powder containers may contain Alliant Powder Bullseye“ smokeless powder.
LOADING BULLSEYE“ SMOKELESS POWDER INTO ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION IN WHICH THE RECIPE CALLS FOR UNIQUE“ SMOKELESS POWDER MAY RESULT IN HIGH PRESSURE LOADS AND SUBSEQUENT GUN DAMAGE OR PERSONAL INJURY.
If you are in possession of an eight pound (8 lb.) bottle of Alliant Powder Unique“ with any of the above noted lot numbers, please immediately cease use of this product and notify Alliant Powder by calling 800-276-9337 or emailing alliant.reloading@atk.com
Lot numbers are located on the bottom of each bottle.

**AZXD** · 06-15-2008, 12:17 PM

I'm still in the process of getting acquainted with the reloading process ... But it seems that with a small case size like the 380 ... It's a pretty risky reload.

Besided, how much are you gonna shoot an LCP/P3-AT ... Buy it ... I view 380 ammo as an expensive 22. But I am saving the brass

jeepinbanditrider · 06-15-2008, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AZXD

I'm still in the process of getting acquainted with the reloading process ... But it seems that with a small case size like the 380 ... It's a pretty risky reload.

Besided, how much are you gonna shoot an LCP/P3-AT ... Buy it ... I view 380 ammo as an expensive 22. But I am saving the brass

**** that stuff costs more than 9mm and WAY less than .22.

I've got all of my .380 brass saved up but haven't bought dies or anything for it yet because it's not a round I shoot often.

rjss · 06-15-2008, 12:37 PM

edubya,
Just out of curiosity how did the XD9 look on teardown with a 9mm bullet in the barrel? I was under the impression that the bullet was fully supported in the XD.

Rampant Colt · 06-15-2008, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rjss

edubya,
Just out of curiosity how did the XD9 look on teardown with a 9mm bullet in the barrel? I was under the impression that the bullet was fully supported in the XD.

Huh? The casing?? I totally do not understand your question

**AZXD** · 06-15-2008, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeepinbanditrider

**** that stuff costs more than 9mm and WAY less than .22.

I've got all of my .380 brass saved up but haven't bought dies or anything for it yet because it's not a round I shoot often.

Ehh ... I'm ignoring cost as it does cost a lot .... Like you said I don't shoot it much. But from a reloading view it's about like trying to reload a 22 ... when you factor in the small error KABOOM factor ... Ehh, I'm saving brass, but have no intention to reload any at this time.

That's what I meant ... As long as I don't shoot it much ... I'll overlook the cost and just buy 380. It's not worth the hassle.

jeepinbanditrider · 06-15-2008, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AZXD

Ehh ... I'm ignoring cost as it does cost a lot .... Like you said I don't shoot it much. But from a reloading view it's about like trying to reload a 22 ... when you factor in the small error KABOOM factor ... Ehh, I'm saving brass, but have no intention to reload any at this time.

That's what I meant ... As long as I don't shoot it much ... I'll overlook the cost and just buy 380. It's not worth the hassle.

Ok gotcha I got threw off a little bit.

**Edubya** · 06-15-2008, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rjss

edubya,
Just out of curiosity how did the XD9 look on teardown with a 9mm bullet in the barrel? I was under the impression that the bullet was fully supported in the XD.

Only about 4mm are exposed (unsupported), half of that is the base of the cartridge.

06-15-2008, 10:31 AM	#1
Edubya XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NC Posts: 514	.380 Ka-Boom! I think this die-hard reloader(35 years experience) has learned a lesson and will be much more conservative when reloading rounds that will be used in a firearm with a partially unsupported chamber. A lot of auto loaders do this to a small degree but NONE I've seen do it to this extreme (even Glock). I think this pistol and the P3AT get away with this because the .380 auto round is relatively low pressure and it appears not a lot of people are reloading for this gun. I have yet to see anyone say "Hey - I reload for this pistol all the time at the levels listed in the Lyman manual and all is OK". Ruger LCP - KaBoom This motivated me to breakdown my XD9 and insert a cartridge to see how much was unsupported. It also is an example of why the first place to look for an "overload/overpressure" would be the lower end (non-supported portion) of the brass, not the primer. This incident also makes for a good reason to clean and pre-inspect your "once-fired" brass. __________________ *I ain't the expert, but I've made a lot of the wrong decisions!* If Homicide Is Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Commit Homicide

06-15-2008, 11:43 AM	#2
jeepinbanditrider XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Mineral Wells, Tx Posts: 4,836	Wow. Though for a .380 that bullet seems way heavy AND way to fast. That's got to be a crazy amount of pressure for a .380 chamber. __________________ Stuff USPSA-A59201

06-15-2008, 12:02 PM	#3
Pit Man XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Aurora, CO Posts: 141	I hope it wasn't because he had a bad batch of powder. Alliant had a recall on Unique a while back and the kegs contained Bullseye powder instead. I know it's an older recall but you never know. Product Recall July 6, 2005 Product description: Unique® smokeless powder, LOT numbers 850, 859, 861, 868, 872, 876, 890, 898 and 907. Warning: Alliant Powder has determined a very small number of eight pound (8 lb.) Alliant Powder Unique“ smokeless powder containers may contain Alliant Powder Bullseye“ smokeless powder. LOADING BULLSEYE“ SMOKELESS POWDER INTO ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION IN WHICH THE RECIPE CALLS FOR UNIQUE“ SMOKELESS POWDER MAY RESULT IN HIGH PRESSURE LOADS AND SUBSEQUENT GUN DAMAGE OR PERSONAL INJURY. If you are in possession of an eight pound (8 lb.) bottle of Alliant Powder Unique“ with any of the above noted lot numbers, please immediately cease use of this product and notify Alliant Powder by calling 800-276-9337 or emailing alliant.reloading@atk.com Lot numbers are located on the bottom of each bottle. __________________ XD-40 Service XD-45 Tactical

06-15-2008, 12:17 PM	#4
AZXD XDTalk 10K Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Valley of the GUN Posts: 14,636	I'm still in the process of getting acquainted with the reloading process ... But it seems that with a small case size like the 380 ... It's a pretty risky reload. Besided, how much are you gonna shoot an LCP/P3-AT ... Buy it ... I view 380 ammo as an expensive 22. But I am saving the brass __________________ SCOTUS judge appointments ... Will last much longer than Obama or McCain. Who do you want selecting people who have the ability to support or remove individual rights ?? AZXD At least I don't need any Viagra just to get myself to a point where I can do the Palin librarian fantasy Veep thing. KEVWYO There are a bunch of you that need to hit the head and grab your jar of vaseline and just get it over with. KEVWYO

06-15-2008, 12:37 PM	#6
rjss XDTalk Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Southeast MI Posts: 83	edubya, Just out of curiosity how did the XD9 look on teardown with a 9mm bullet in the barrel? I was under the impression that the bullet was fully supported in the XD. __________________ Black XD-9 Tactical Remington 700 ADL .308 Remington 870 12 gauge Ruger 10/22 carbine

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