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The_Dave · 04-23-2008, 07:45 PM

Yep. Blew the first to smithereens, straight through the second and stuck in the third.

Clobbersaurus · 04-23-2008, 08:04 PM

Hmmmmmm. Interesting. My 45 went through the same amount of jugs but stayed together. That is why I say that it wasnt scientific and that ymmv. How far away were you from the jug and what gun did you use. Im curious.

The_Dave · 04-23-2008, 08:19 PM

Ha ha that may have something to do with it... I was approx. ten feet away with my Kimber Compact Stainless II

Ren · 04-24-2008, 07:15 AM

Good work! Nice "non-scientific" study. A little disconcerning on the jacket seperation on the 9 tho. I wonder how the federal HST would hold up?

Bree · 04-24-2008, 08:46 AM

Back in the 90's I used Golden Sabers for my .357 Magnum. But jacket separation has always plagued this round. It is an old technology. I shot out my entire supply in all calibers that I had Golden Sabers and switched to other brands that retain close to 100% of their weight like DPX, EFMJ, and HST.

tomfoolery · 04-24-2008, 08:48 AM

There is no substitute to a big beefy expanded .45 HP

lbreevesii · 04-24-2008, 06:24 PM

good pix man, and thanks for the info.

I'm glad I have .45. Even if you use JHP's and they don't expand its still like getting hit in the chest with a damn bowling ball

Bree · 04-24-2008, 07:38 PM

Dayum lbreevesii...

I almost had like a Gestalt experience where instead of seeing LB Reeves II, It was as if I saw my own name surrounded by Italian stuff!

Rampant Colt · 04-26-2008, 01:44 PM

Fired from a 5" Colt 1911 into wetpack soaked for 24 hours

The +P 185 Golden Saber penetrated 12" and averaged .72 dia
The 230gr Golden Saber penetrated 14" and averaged .75 dia
The Black Talon is only for comparison (it is .77 dia and goes 12")

The 185gr +P suffers from jacket/core separation which isn't a good thing. I will note that the separation occurred towards the end of the penetration.
Evidently this doesn't occur with the new bonded Sabers

Clobbersaurus · 04-26-2008, 06:51 PM

Nice pics. That black talon looks good.

I also noticed that the separation with the 9mm golden saber happened in the same jug so it was towards the end of the penetration as well.

Noob ? alert. Im assuming that a wetpack is a stack of papers or phone books soaked in water.

04-23-2008, 07:45 PM	#11
The_Dave XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 383	Yep. Blew the first to smithereens, straight through the second and stuck in the third. __________________ I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. 'Tis the business of little minds to shrink, but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death. - Thomas Paine

04-23-2008, 08:04 PM	#12
Clobbersaurus XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Orange County, NY Posts: 279	Hmmmmmm. Interesting. My 45 went through the same amount of jugs but stayed together. That is why I say that it wasnt scientific and that ymmv. How far away were you from the jug and what gun did you use. Im curious. __________________ Springfield XD40 Serivce Springfield 1911-A1 Loaded Black Stainless Colt Python 6" Mossberg 590 Mariner w/ Knoxx SpecOps Stock Ruger 10/22 w/ Christie Super Stock Romanian AK-47 Noveske N4 Light Low Profile Carbine

04-23-2008, 08:19 PM	#13
The_Dave XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 383	Ha ha that may have something to do with it... I was approx. ten feet away with my Kimber Compact Stainless II __________________ I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. 'Tis the business of little minds to shrink, but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death. - Thomas Paine

04-24-2008, 07:15 AM	#14
Ren XDTalk Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 89	Good work! Nice "non-scientific" study. A little disconcerning on the jacket seperation on the 9 tho. I wonder how the federal HST would hold up? __________________ Gear and Ammo pimp

04-24-2008, 08:46 AM	#15
Bree XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 3,517 Blog Entries: 5	Back in the 90's I used Golden Sabers for my .357 Magnum. But jacket separation has always plagued this round. It is an old technology. I shot out my entire supply in all calibers that I had Golden Sabers and switched to other brands that retain close to 100% of their weight like DPX, EFMJ, and HST. __________________ Shoot Straight and Ride Safe! Bree XD .45 Compact -- Ruger SP-101 .357 Mag. -- Keltec P3AT .380 Rock River Arms 20" Varmint A4 AR-15 w/4-16x56mm MilDot Ruger 10/22 Black Stainless Mossberg 590 Mariner 12 Ga w/Knoxx SpecOps Harley Davidson Dyna Wide Glide Patriot Guard Rider Iron Butt Association Member The 60's Can't Die As Long As I Won't Leave Them!! Life is Good. Life is Great! Get your Guns Now, Before it's Too Late!

04-24-2008, 08:48 AM	#16
tomfoolery XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 5,668	There is no substitute to a big beefy expanded .45 HP __________________ "It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees." "One is none, two is one, and three is just a good time." Clint Smith, referring to the number of guns you carry daily.

04-24-2008, 06:24 PM	#17
lbreevesii XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Boone, NC Posts: 122	good pix man, and thanks for the info. I'm glad I have .45. Even if you use JHP's and they don't expand its still like getting hit in the chest with a damn bowling ball __________________ ~Happiness is a warm gun~ XD .45 ACP Compact

04-24-2008, 07:38 PM	#18
Bree XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 3,517 Blog Entries: 5	Dayum lbreevesii... I almost had like a Gestalt experience where instead of seeing LB Reeves II, It was as if I saw my own name surrounded by Italian stuff! __________________ Shoot Straight and Ride Safe! Bree XD .45 Compact -- Ruger SP-101 .357 Mag. -- Keltec P3AT .380 Rock River Arms 20" Varmint A4 AR-15 w/4-16x56mm MilDot Ruger 10/22 Black Stainless Mossberg 590 Mariner 12 Ga w/Knoxx SpecOps Harley Davidson Dyna Wide Glide Patriot Guard Rider Iron Butt Association Member The 60's Can't Die As Long As I Won't Leave Them!! Life is Good. Life is Great! Get your Guns Now, Before it's Too Late!

04-26-2008, 01:44 PM	#19
Rampant Colt XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 152	Fired from a 5" Colt 1911 into wetpack soaked for 24 hours The +P 185 Golden Saber penetrated 12" and averaged .72 dia The 230gr Golden Saber penetrated 14" and averaged .75 dia The Black Talon is only for comparison (it is .77 dia and goes 12") The 185gr +P suffers from jacket/core separation which isn't a good thing. I will note that the separation occurred towards the end of the penetration. Evidently this doesn't occur with the new bonded Sabers __________________ Hit hard; hit fast; hit often ~ Adm. Wm. "Bull" Halsey

04-26-2008, 06:51 PM	#20
Clobbersaurus XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Orange County, NY Posts: 279	Nice pics. That black talon looks good. I also noticed that the separation with the 9mm golden saber happened in the same jug so it was towards the end of the penetration as well. Noob ? alert. Im assuming that a wetpack is a stack of papers or phone books soaked in water. __________________ Springfield XD40 Serivce Springfield 1911-A1 Loaded Black Stainless Colt Python 6" Mossberg 590 Mariner w/ Knoxx SpecOps Stock Ruger 10/22 w/ Christie Super Stock Romanian AK-47 Noveske N4 Light Low Profile Carbine

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